What is your Reference?

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  1. Matthew J Poes

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    I've been three times myself and my parents have gone to New Orleans every year for the last 20 years or so. They go to Jazz fest, but have easily hit every major club in New Orleans.

    I have to give my parents credit, if not for them, I wouldn't have had the experiences around live music that I have had. I've been to great live musical events in New York City, my home town, New Orleans, etc. In fact, in my home time there was an old house converted into a jazz bar. I used to go there every week for years to listen to the house band, who would bring in local musicans to sit in. Talk about a great jazz education.
     
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    Aaaaaah. I went there with my ShowReel, on high quality Cassette! in the 90's. I can distinctly remember hearing my own references. It was the best sounding Studio Monitoring, CR, I have ever heard. I help Dirac Live with some Beta. I have used it constantly for Mixing and Mastering since I discovered it years ago. I have never seen a bug, crash, or glitch. Unfortunately the Minidsp version cannot bypass the inter channel speaker distance offset. I really hope they fix that in V2 because at the moment it is impossible to integrate minidsp hardware into a Pro working scenario. DD
     
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    I'm lucky to live where there are 2 excellent venues, my old school has a SOTA concert hall that I frequent for classical and jazz.
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    Replete with a variable acoustic cloud above the main stage. There are also small recitals rooms where you sit within feet of the players/instruments.
    The other is the Straz Center. Here's our audio club getting a private demo of the Florida orchestra
    Excellent acoustics, a bit less intimate.
     
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    I need to come visit!
     
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    We are big DIRAC users around these parts.

    I too was a beta tester and have been using it on and off ever since. It’s still the best room correction I’ve used both subjectively and objectively. The most I can say is that with really good speakers and subs optimally set up with manual eq, the difference Dirac makes can be subtle to non-existent. But the sad thing is, it can equal the optimized manual approach in a lot less time.
     
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    Played in a few garage bands in the early days... Had Rhodes, Hammond, Yamaha, Roland, Leslie, Marshall, Altec Lansing, McIntosh and Fender products... Been to many various venues up and down the west coast from small bars and clubs to the Hollywood Bowl, Pacific and Universal Amphitheaters... Also worked with several Animation, Special Effects, Post Production, Foley and Music Recording Studios on the west coast...

    Drums, Cymbals, Organ, Piano, Saxophone, Acoustic Guitar and the Female Voice are points of reference for me...
     
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    Members of both orchestras will be playing poolside at the Expo. C'mon down ;-).
    I'm trying to convince Sonnie to attend. May have to explain why there are no banjos though...
     
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    Nothing better than a proper concert venue for Orchestra or Jazz this is one of our venues in Edmonton, A tribute to Prince (I was there and it was so good) we have our own symphony orchestra and this is their home building.
     
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    This is a fascinating discussion. Going back to some of the earlier points made, I don't go to a lot of live events, but I will agree that a live concert well-recorded on disc beats the live experience in terms of sound quality. So many concerts around my area are done in spaces with acoustics not designed for such, and the result can be pretty bad. And then, it seems that production crews think everyone wants to be killed by the bass. I was at a Celtic Woman concert a couple summers ago, and the bass was so incredibly overwhelming at times that it strongly masked the vocal performances, which weren't well represented themselves. And this is Celtic Woman, not some pop or metal band. I was shocked and disappointed at how poorly it was done. The acoustics of the space were partly to blame for sure, but undoubtedly it could have been better. All the same, I won't be going back to that venue for a concert again!

    I wish I could say I had a really strong point of reference. I do have a handful of tracks and movie clips I am fairly familiar with, which can help me in evaluating a new system. But again, I don't go to a lot of live events. Although it sounds like, based on the experiences shared here, a live event is at least as likely to be a poor reference as it is to be a good reference.
     
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    I was just about to add that I don't think that any live venue that requires amplification can be considered a reference. Some of them can sound pretty [expletive] amazing, but the moment you put microphones and amplification into the mix, you're sacrificing quality. There must always be a compromise between using the best microphone/eq combination and the possibility of feedback, unwanted bleed, etc.
     
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    Very cool.

    Remind me which sort of Florida you are in? We typically have gone to the Miami area but flew into Tampa last year and stayed in Clearwater. We really loved the area, though maybe not all the people. We want to go back, it’s a fairly cheap place to vacation and get nice beaches.
     
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    Yep, and if there's electronic reinforcement, you're at the whim of the guy doing the mixing and levels and EQ and such. I need to go to shows at small venues that are mostly acoustic in nature, which would probably help establish a better reference for me. It's just expensive to go to shows. I spent all my money on the rig at home :rolleyes:
     
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