Onkyo RZ50 Owners thread

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To treat a room below 150Hz is near impossible and very impractical.

Have you wrapped your head around Serkan's Virtual Bass Array filter?
 

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Have you wrapped your head around Serkan's Virtual Bass Array filter?
I have (a few times). I don’t run convolution so I haven’t had an opportunity to successfully implement it.

It does address the frequency domain and by proxy the time domain. But passive and active treatments specifically address the decay.
 

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Unless someone in the back skunkworks has been doing A LOT of R&D, I doubt Audyssey has an answer to DL-ART.

They pretty much stopped development 10 years ago when Denon/Marantz purchased the exclusive licence for Audyssey, shutting out other competitors. MQX is just the abilities of the Audyssey installers pro-kit, repackaged for the current series and with a new user interface for the mass market.... nothing new there.

D&M are aware of this, and therefore are opening the window to Dirac....

Dirac have said that if an AVR can do DLBC, then it can do DL-ART.... so there is nothing stopping D&M from providing DL-ART update options in 2024.

In the meantime, Audyssey is a perfectly viable competitor to standard DL, and even to a lesser degree, DLBC.... so it will cover most of the mass market without any trouble.

I expect that DL-ART will be reserved for TOTL hardware, primarily due to its licencing cost.... so Audyssey and MQX will not be under serious pressure for a few years yet.
I agree with this. And while I think DL is better than Audyssey, Audyssey is definitely a very good alternative and perfectly suitable for lots of folks.

The biggest stumbling block for DL is licensing fees… it’s great that Audyssey is still available as a “free” alternative.
 
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I agree with this. And while I think DL is better than Audyssey, Audyssey is definitely a very good alternative and perfectly suitable for lots of folks.

The biggest stumbling block for DL is licensing fees… it’s great that Audyssey is still available as a “free” alternative.
I personally like Audyssey MQX better. It provides more flexibility or at least has given me better results than Dirac did.
 
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I personally like Audyssey MQX better. It provides more flexibility or at least has given me better results than Dirac did.
Is that because of a better UI / Sytem process, or because the system is inherently better....?

ie: do you feel it takes longer to get the best possible results from Dirac or Audyssey?
 

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Is that because of a better UI / Sytem process, or because the system is inherently better....?

ie: do you feel it takes longer to get the best possible results from Dirac or Audyssey?
It takes much longer for Dirac because it’s a “black box” and yields different results among small changes to calibrations. In my case, witb my AVR, I wasn’t able to adjust gains and timings post calibration. That was an AVR limitations.

The new MQX makes things easier because the work is done in REW and yields near exact results of what REW predicts.

The workflow is nicer too because measurements can be rerun individually or excluded all together and FIR filters are then based on REW measurements.

I can get exactly what I’m looking for out of MQX in a single set of measurements RMS averaged from REW in approx 30 minutes.

This is just my experience, so I’m making no claims that Dirac is authoritatively worse but to your point, I’m able to get what I want easier with more flexibility and ease of change.

And I get dynamic EQ which I’m a huge fan of because I run my subs hot and I like to hear my surrounds at lower volumes.
 
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