Purchasing Advise

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
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Marantz 8802A,
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CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
Hello all,
I am requesting some direction in a purchasing decison of a new set of floorstanding loudspeakers. I have a very large livingroom in a floorplan that opens to the kitchen. The problem is that I want to fill this space with sound but I do not have a place for a subwoofer, so the speakers I am considering have to be full-range and highly-efficent. My budget max is $4000.00. Some models that I am considering are: The Klipchs RF7-III; the GoldenEar Trition 2+; and the Tekton Design Double Impacts. Wife approval factor is also a consideration. Any other suggestions are welcomed and appreciated, and I thank you all in advanced.
Respectfully,

Ike
 

Todd Anderson

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Yamaha RX-A3050
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Emotiva XPA-5
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Emotiva XPA Gen 2 4xStereo 2XSingle
Other Amp
VSX-1016THX
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO UDP-203
Front Speakers
SVS Ultra Towers
Center Channel Speaker
SVS Ultra Center
Surround Speakers
SVS Ultra Surround
Surround Back Speakers
SVS Ultra Bookshelf
Front Height Speakers
SVS Prime Elevation
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SVS Prime Elevation
Subwoofers
dual SVS SB16s + dual PSA XS30s
Other Speakers or Equipment
Behringer 1124p; Aura Bass Shaker Pros; SuperSub X
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JVC RS520
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Carada Cine-White 0 gain
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LG Electronics 65-inch B6 OLED, OPPO Sonica
Ike... seek out and demo the Triton 2+. Those, IMO, are extremely well balanced and nuanced speakers. Out of the group you've listed, they'd be my choice
 

Tony V.

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QSC MX1500
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EV Sentry 500
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EV Sentry 500
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Mission 762
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Mission 762
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SVS PB13u
Video Display Device
Panasonic AE 8000
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Logitech 1100
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Denon DT 625 CD/Tape unit, Nintendo WiiU, and more
Your off to a great start with the list you created, any one of them would be a good choice but agree with Todd that the Tritons would be the best out of the bunch.
 

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Marantz 8802A,
Main Amp
CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
Ike... seek out and demo the Triton 2+. Those, IMO, are extremely well balanced and nuanced speakers. Out of the group you've listed, they'd be my choice
Thank you, Gentlemen.
 

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Marantz 8802A,
Main Amp
CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
Your off to a great start with the list you created, any one of them would be a good choice but agree with Todd that the Tritons would be the best out of the bunch.
Thank you, very much.
 

ddude003

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Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
LG BlueRay
Front Speakers
Martin Logan ElectroMotion ESL
Center Channel Speaker
Martin Logan Motion C2
Surround Speakers
Martin Logan Motion 4
Surround Back Speakers
Martin Logan Motion 4 (yes, another set of these)
Subwoofers
Martin Logan Dynamo 700
Other Speakers or Equipment
Cifte 12AU7 NOS & Genalex Gold Lion Tubes in Pre
Video Display Device
Sony TV KDL50W700B
Remote Control
Audirvana Plus, Tidal HiFi MQA and DSD128...
Other Equipment
Throw rug, saddle blankets and base traps...
Have a listen to the Martin Logan Electromotion ESL X...
 

Sonnie

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Additional Amp
Emotiva XPA Seven
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO UDP-205 4K UHD Player
Front Speakers
Emotiva T2
Center Channel Speaker
Emotiva C2
Surround Speakers
Emotiva T1
Front Height Speakers
MartinLogan EM-IC
Rear Height Speakers
MartinLogan EM-IC
Subwoofers
Dual Custom Built 18" Subs
Video Display Device
Epson 4040
Screen
Elite Screen
Remote Control
Universal MX-890
I was going to suggest the Martin Logan line as well... and the X would fit the budget perfectly. If you are not opposed to use, check out Audiogon for some Montis, which are spectacular and flat down to 20Hz with Dirac Live in the loop.
 

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Marantz 8802A,
Main Amp
CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
Have a listen to the Martin Logan Electromotion ESL X...
Wow! I will thank you. A friend of mind mentioned the Martin Logans today as well.
 

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Marantz 8802A,
Main Amp
CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
I was going to suggest the Martin Logan line as well... and the X would fit the budget perfectly. If you are not opposed to use, check out Audiogon for some Montis, which are spectacular and flat down to 20Hz with Dirac Live in the loop.
Thank you, I don't think I've heard for those. And who would be opposed to saving some money, certainly not this guy. Thanks for the suggestion. I will look into this this evening.
 

Sonnie

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NAD T-758 AVR
Main Amp
Emotiva XPA-1 Gen 2 Monoblocks
Additional Amp
Emotiva XPA Seven
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO UDP-205 4K UHD Player
Front Speakers
Emotiva T2
Center Channel Speaker
Emotiva C2
Surround Speakers
Emotiva T1
Front Height Speakers
MartinLogan EM-IC
Rear Height Speakers
MartinLogan EM-IC
Subwoofers
Dual Custom Built 18" Subs
Video Display Device
Epson 4040
Screen
Elite Screen
Remote Control
Universal MX-890
I can tell you this... and I ain't just blowin' smoke... the Montis... and the ESL Expression 13A's that I have had in my room are the two best sounding systems I have heard in my lifetime of listening to speakers. That includes $100K+ systems I have heard in many places and many different rooms (homes, RMAF, LSAF, Axpona, CCAF, etc). I have yet to find anything to best those systems... close, yes... but that's it... just close. Note the setup in my room with the flat and solid reflection panels too, tuned and placed by our very own Wayne Myers. http://cedarcreekcinema.ws/

I believe both reviews of these speakers in my room (by Wayne) are on ML's website.

You don't have to go to the extremes that we did for the sound to be marvelous... we were just trying to get every ounce of best sound we could get. Placement is super important and you need to have freedom to place them where they need to be. I'd start with the Cardas recommendations and adjust from there, regardless of the speakers you get.
 

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Marantz 8802A,
Main Amp
CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
I can tell you this... and I ain't just blowin' smoke... the Montis... and the ESL Expression 13A's that I have had in my room are the two best sounding systems I have heard in my lifetime of listening to speakers. That includes $100K+ systems I have heard in many places and many different rooms (homes, RMAF, LSAF, Axpona, CCAF, etc). I have yet to find anything to best those systems... close, yes... but that's it... just close. Note the setup in my room with the flat and solid reflection panels too, tuned and placed by our very own Wayne Myers. http://cedarcreekcinema.ws/

I believe both reviews of these speakers in my room (by Wayne) are on ML's website.

You don't have to go to the extremes that we did for the sound to be marvelous... we were just trying to get every ounce of best sound we could get. Placement is super important and you need to have freedom to place them where they need to be. I'd start with the Cardas recommendations and adjust from there, regardless of the speakers you get.
There is a gentleman around where I live that has been into audio since the late 80's and he has some Martin Logans he wants me to see..I will keep you all posted. Also, I can not thank you enough for the suggestions and advice, I even managed to get my wife excited about the potential purchase.
 

Isaac Sykes

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My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
Marantz 8802A,
Main Amp
CROWN XLR 2502
Additional Amp
EMOTIVA XPR 5
Other Amp
SUNFIRE 7404
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO 103 , OPPO 105, OPPO 205
Front Speakers
GOLDEN EAR TRITON REFERENCE
Center Channel Speaker
GOLDEN EAR SUPER CENTER XXL
Surround Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Surround Back Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 7000'S
Front Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Rear Height Speakers
GOLDEN EAR INVISA 650'S
Subwoofers
GOLDEN EAR SUPER SUB X (2)
Other Speakers or Equipment
DEFINITIVE TECHNOLOGY MYTHOS ST-L, INTEGRA DRC-R1
Video Display Device
EPSON UB6040
Screen
SI BLACK DIAMOND ZERO EDGE 110
Other Equipment
CARY DMS-500, BLUESOUND VAULT(2)
I can tell you this... and I ain't just blowin' smoke... the Montis... and the ESL Expression 13A's that I have had in my room are the two best sounding systems I have heard in my lifetime of listening to speakers. That includes $100K+ systems I have heard in many places and many different rooms (homes, RMAF, LSAF, Axpona, CCAF, etc). I have yet to find anything to best those systems... close, yes... but that's it... just close. Note the setup in my room with the flat and solid reflection panels too, tuned and placed by our very own Wayne Myers. http://cedarcreekcinema.ws/

I believe both reviews of these speakers in my room (by Wayne) are on ML's website.

You don't have to go to the extremes that we did for the sound to be marvelous... we were just trying to get every ounce of best sound we could get. Placement is super important and you need to have freedom to place them where they need to be. I'd start with the Cardas recommendations and adjust from there, regardless of the speakers you get.
Awesome room BTW!!
 

Sonnie

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Location
Alabama
My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
NAD T-758 AVR
Main Amp
Emotiva XPA-1 Gen 2 Monoblocks
Additional Amp
Emotiva XPA Seven
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
OPPO UDP-205 4K UHD Player
Front Speakers
Emotiva T2
Center Channel Speaker
Emotiva C2
Surround Speakers
Emotiva T1
Front Height Speakers
MartinLogan EM-IC
Rear Height Speakers
MartinLogan EM-IC
Subwoofers
Dual Custom Built 18" Subs
Video Display Device
Epson 4040
Screen
Elite Screen
Remote Control
Universal MX-890
Thanks Isaac... and please let us know how the listening session goes.
 

ddude003

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Aug 13, 2017
Messages
265
Location
Somewhere Northeast of Kansas City Missouri
My AV System  
Preamp, Processor or Receiver
PrimaLuna Dialogue Premium TubePre (2 channel+sub)
Main Amp
McIntosh MC152 SS Amp (2 channel)
Additional Amp
Yamaha RX-A850 Pro (the other 5 channels lol)
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
LG BlueRay
Front Speakers
Martin Logan ElectroMotion ESL
Center Channel Speaker
Martin Logan Motion C2
Surround Speakers
Martin Logan Motion 4
Surround Back Speakers
Martin Logan Motion 4 (yes, another set of these)
Subwoofers
Martin Logan Dynamo 700
Other Speakers or Equipment
Cifte 12AU7 NOS & Genalex Gold Lion Tubes in Pre
Video Display Device
Sony TV KDL50W700B
Remote Control
Audirvana Plus, Tidal HiFi MQA and DSD128...
Other Equipment
Throw rug, saddle blankets and base traps...
Electrostatic speakers can produce levels of distortion (THD) orders of magnitude lower than conventional cone drivers in a box... They can be a bit fussy about their room placement to get the most out of them... And well worth the effort...

Enjoy your auditions...
 
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Matthew J Poes

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I’m a big fan of the Tekton Double Impacts. Excellent sounding speakers. I really like them. I think Tekton is a value leader right now. To me the quality just feels heads and tails above the competition. If you can get a demo, strongly suggested. Their subs are also a smokin deal if you have the room. That 21” sub sells for about what you would spend to build the same sub.

All of the suggestions are fine ones, I think you just need to demo if possible. Also look for dealers who offer in home demos. Something can sound great in a shop or someone else’s room but not so great in yours.
 
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