ECM8000 calibration file

Chesco

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Hi guys. Can anyone point me to a place, where I could download an ECM8000.cal file for Behringer ECM8000 mic? I searched throughout the internet with no success for now.
 

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Thanx for your reply. Is there any way to make a calibration file for my specific one?
 

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Thanx for your reply. Is there any way to make a calibration file for my specific one?
Rent a known accurate mic with a NIST certification and serialized response file. Create a compensation file for the rented mic. Setup a speaker in a room. Place the mic one meter from the speaker and measure a handful of times. Replace the mic with your mic. Be certain the mic is in exactly the same spot to the mm. Repeat. The difference between the two is your correction file.
 

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Rent a known accurate mic with a NIST certification and serialized response file. Create a compensation file for the rented mic. Setup a speaker in a room. Place the mic one meter from the speaker and measure a handful of times. Replace the mic with your mic. Be certain the mic is in exactly the same spot to the mm. Repeat. The difference between the two is your correction file.
This sounds simple enough....famous last words.

I'm going to give it a try.

I've got a UMIK1 with a correction file form cross spectrum labs. I'll consider it my reference.

I've got a simple USB mic from a Paradigm room EQ system (Anthem Room Correction) that doesn't have a correction file. I want to create a correction file for it.

Once I've got a graph for each mic in REW, how do I generate that "difference" file, and how do I save it in a format that will let me import it into REW as a correction file for using the "new" mic later?
 

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... I'm going to give it a try.

I've got a UMIK1 with a correction file form cross spectrum labs. I'll consider it my reference....

Once I've got a graph for each mic in REW, how do I generate that "difference" file, and how do I save it in a format that will let me import it into REW as a correction file for using the "new" mic later?
I just tried it using a Cross Spectrum Labs calibrated UMIK-1's measurement (GREEN) as the baseline and an un-calibrated ECM8000 measurement(RED). The derived ECM8000 calibration SPL measurement(BLUE) tracks pretty close to the GREEN baseline, but the phase is a bit off at the ends.
  1. I used the "File/Export Measurement as Text" option to do a text dump of the calibrated and un-calibrated files.
  2. I edited the text files to remove the file and column header information leaving only the 3 measurement numeric columns (frequency, SPL and phase).
  3. I then loaded both files into a spreadsheet in different worksheets and subtracted the calibrated SPL column from the un-calibrated SPL calibrated column creating a new delta column in a 3rd worksheet.
  4. I then output 2 columns as a text file (65508 lines), first column being the frequency and the second column being the SPL delta from the 3rd worksheet.
  5. I added an extra 0 to the last 2 lines (3rd column) as what is in the CS calibration files. Don't know if this is necessary or not.
Example Delta Text File:

9.887695 -7.306065
10.253912 -7.313499
10.620129 -7.339039
10.986345 -7.437733
11.352562 -7.71809
11.718778 -8.160614
12.084994 -8.515365
...
...
...
23996.70313 -31.04581
23997.07031 -31.047973
23997.4375 -31.050133
23997.80469 -31.052304
23998.16797 -31.054439
23998.53516 -31.056595
23998.90234 -31.058747
23999.26953 -31.060902 0
23999.63281 -31.063012 0

Here are the before and after results.

Hope this helps and if anyone has a better way to do it, or corrections, please advise.


Derrived-Calibration-File.jpg
 

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Wow you got farther than I managed to.

I couldn’t make heads or tails of the file data and no one else seemed to understand it either when I posted it.

But you have solved it.

That calibration file’s results look excellent.

You have inspired me to try again.

Thanks for sharing!

I just tried it using a Cross Spectrum Labs calibrated UMIK-1's measurement (GREEN) as the baseline and an un-calibrated ECM8000 measurement(RED). The derived ECM8000 calibration SPL measurement(BLUE) tracks pretty close to the GREEN baseline, but the phase is a bit off at the ends.
  1. I used the "File/Export Measurement as Text" option to do a text dump of the calibrated and un-calibrated files.
  2. I edited the text files to remove the file and column header information leaving only the 3 measurement numeric columns (frequency, SPL and phase).
  3. I then loaded both files into a spreadsheet in different worksheets and subtracted the calibrated SPL column from the un-calibrated SPL calibrated column creating a new delta column in a 3rd worksheet.
  4. I then output 2 columns as a text file (65508 lines), first column being the frequency and the second column being the SPL delta from the 3rd worksheet.
  5. I added an extra 0 to the last 2 lines (3rd column) as what is in the CS calibration files. Don't know if this is necessary or not.
Example Delta Text File:

9.887695 -7.306065
10.253912 -7.313499
10.620129 -7.339039
10.986345 -7.437733
11.352562 -7.71809
11.718778 -8.160614
12.084994 -8.515365
...
...
...
23996.70313 -31.04581
23997.07031 -31.047973
23997.4375 -31.050133
23997.80469 -31.052304
23998.16797 -31.054439
23998.53516 -31.056595
23998.90234 -31.058747
23999.26953 -31.060902 0
23999.63281 -31.063012 0

Here are the before and after results.

Hope this helps and if anyone has a better way to do it, or corrections, please advise.


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Wow you got farther than I managed to.

I couldn’t make heads or tails of the file data and no one else seemed to understand it either when I posted it.

But you have solved it.

That calibration file’s results look excellent.

You have inspired me to try again.

Thanks for sharing!
I am going to redo it with better measurements and try exporting both files with no smoothing enabled to see if it gets any better. It will tide me over until I can get it properly calibrated. Good luck.
 

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I just tried it using a Cross Spectrum Labs calibrated UMIK-1's measurement (GREEN) as the baseline and an un-calibrated ECM8000 measurement(RED). The derived ECM8000 calibration SPL measurement(BLUE) tracks pretty close to the GREEN baseline, but the phase is a bit off at the ends ...
I also have a ECM8000 and use it uncalibrated for room correction. Works great so far.

Seeing that HF rolloff at 15 kHz in your SPL graph: my graphs show a similar HF behaviour when using my Tannoy D500 speakers. Now I wonder whether that rolloff is caused by the tweeter or the microphone.
 

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Tweeter, since there is almost very little additional roll off on the un calibrated mike versus the calibrated one, in g29’s graph, meaning the ecm8000 was pretty accurate already.
 

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Seeing that HF rolloff at 15 kHz in your SPL graph: my graphs show a similar HF behaviour when using my Tannoy D500 speakers. Now I wonder whether that rolloff is caused by the tweeter or the microphone.
Tweeter, since there is almost very little additional roll off on the un calibrated mike versus the calibrated one, in g29’s graph, meaning the ecm8000 was pretty accurate already.
The HF rolloff in the plot is due to a DIY NEO8 speaker I am testing. They do not go to 20KHz. FWIW, here is the PDF spec sheet for the NEO8.

NEO PDF - GRS PT6825-8 8" Planar Mid/Tweeter 8 Ohm

The biggest ECM800 rolloff is on the bass side under 50Hz needing the most correction.
 

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Just a reminder that we need L, R, and L+R measurements. L+R is good to show the actual LF response caused by two speakers running. It will typically show a false HF roll off due to cancellation between the tweeters at slightly different distances and other asymmetries.
 

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Are you saying that impacts whether this is an accurate measurement of the speaker? Or that it invalidates comparing the mics and using their deviation as a correction factor?
 

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Just a reminder that we need L, R, and L+R measurements. L+R is good to show the actual LF response caused by two speakers running. It will typically show a false HF roll off due to cancellation between the tweeters at slightly different distances and other asymmetries.
FWIW, my plots are only using 1 channel for this exercise to minimize such issues. The NEO8 is running from 250Hz (with a steep symmetric XO) upwards so there are no crossovers and/or other drivers interacting at higher frequencies. I can't do much about the walls, floor and ceiling interactions besides go outside and exchange one set of issues for another.
 
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Good point and in the context of this thread, it is the difference between the two mics, and not the speaker response in any absolute sense, that achieves the goal of the thread.
 

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L+R is good to show the actual LF response caused by two speakers running. It will typically show a false HF roll off due to cancellation between the tweeters at slightly different distances and other asymmetries.
Good point! Until now I only used separate measurements of L and R for room correction.

Since I am looking for a method to support pure listening analysis (see Master Speaker Setup, etc.) by measurements, this might be something to try.
 
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