I have K-horns corrected and time-aligned with Audiolense digital XO. I can tell you that time alignment is worth the effort.Data point
Don't laugh, but I experimented using DSP with time-aligning a Klipschorn bass (below 130 Hz) with my electrostatic panels. We're talking 16 feet. My results (and agreed by some others who posted) is it can make a small improvement in careful A-B testing, maybe.
The general issue of time alignment is something from engineering dream land where the essential requirement for alignment seems unarguable, not music listening by humans land.
BTW, in so far as there is any matching in an ESL hybrid system, a Kliipshorn bass is quite right.
Would Audiolense take care of all this, or is some "tuning" beneficial?I agree with hulkss that with many speakers other problems may be dominant.
But time alignment can compensate the doubling of content around the crossover frequency, as occurs for example with LR4 crossovers. This noticeably enhances clarity, but needs changes to the filter transfer function towards constant group delay characteristics.
Actually, everything is time aligned for the time domain window.Only direct sound is time aligned. Mostly based on the impulse response from the tweeter.
Yes, this is a valid point.Try to physically position drivers so they stay time aligned (as much as possible) in all listening positions. Audiolense can only time align in one location.
Would Audiolense take care of all this, or is some "tuning" beneficial?
The drivers are time aligned with frequency correction too.Audiolense time aligns the crossovers and matches phase at the crossover frequency if you are using TTD correction. This is more problematic if using frequency only correction.
Will physically aligning horns for time alignment possibly cause complications at crossover frequencies due to the shape of the wavefront coming out of the two horns? Some horns have a flatter wavefront while others may be be more spherical…Can sliding the mouth of one horn with respect to another cause phase cancellation issues as you move off axis even though on axis time alignment is good?You should physically align drivers so they stay aligned in different listening positions. For example, horns should be arranged vertically in the same plane. Audiolense can then align them in time for the main listening position. If you move side-to-side they will remain in acceptable alignment. If they were arranged horizontally, the timing would shift with left-right movement.
I have a 5-way setup, BR-bass, and the rest is horns. I have chosen the crossover frequencies more or less from the natural roll-off of each horn. Except the midrange-horn, where I have a larger range to play with. It is a 65cm dia LeCleach horn, and I have tried frequencies between 2,5 - 7kHz. I think it sounds best around 2,8kHz, but I don`t know how well it matches the directivity of the upper midrange LeCleach 20cm horn. I have had a look at some polar response plots of similar size horns, and it don`t look too bad.I haven’t done experiments to confirm that time alignment is audible. But I do feel that when performing measurements it’s really easy to see that the crossover is smooth if there is time alignment. And I will use the delay in the dsp crosssover to accomplish this.
Physical time alignment of large horns is problematic because it can really screw up the midrange baffling. The diffraction and reflections effects seem daunting to me.
The most important thing is to understand the directivity and power response characteristic of each of the drivers and choose the proper crossover frequencies accordingly.
Yes, I have gotten this advice before, and I now have everything vertically aligned, except the tweeter, due to low ceilings.. Before I had the BR-bass boxes placed at the inside of the stack of horns. I also had the 4 horns more or less physically time aligned. So far I think it sounded better than my current setup, but I`m not finished with my AL-setup yet.You should physically align drivers so they stay aligned in different listening positions. For example, horns should be arranged vertically in the same plane. Audiolense can then align them in time for the main listening position. If you move side-to-side they will remain in acceptable alignment. If they were arranged horizontally, the timing would shift with left-right movement.