11+ channel amps with balanced inputs?

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I'm not seeing a lot of these available these days. 11 channels, 13, 16 channel amps.

Emotiva has a few that look promising, such as the Eleven that has the 3 high-powered single channels and the 4 lower powered (65 wpc) stereo pairs (8 channels).

Who else is making any like this with balanced inputs?
 

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Yep... that's another option and can be obtained at a reasonable price of about $1900. Not sure about the ability to handle anything less than 6 ohms the channels other than the front channels which can handle down to 2 ohms. MartinLogans can put some stress on an amp... so that is important. I think the Emotiva Eleven would be the better option between these two.
 

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I have the Emotiva amp... I use the three main channels for LCR... the remaining 8 are all hooked up to 8 height channels.

Works great for me
 

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I'm leaning more towards the Emotiva... as it seems to be the one that will work the best.
 

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Yep... that's another option and can be obtained at a reasonable price of about $1900. Not sure about the ability to handle anything less than 6 ohms the channels other than the front channels which can handle down to 2 ohms. MartinLogans can put some stress on an amp... so that is important. I think the Emotiva Eleven would be the better option between these two.

You can always get a set of Zeros (https://www.zeroimpedance.com) to manage your MLs on front channels...

Oh, do you still have that MartinLogan Focus C-18 for your center channel? Maybe you would need a McIntosh MC303 to drive those L-C-R channels :cool: https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/amplifiers/MC303
 
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That would defeat the purpose of consolidating all my amps. Them McIntosh amps ain't cheap either.
 

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I did not know your requirements were cheap consolidation... :rubeyes: I thought you were trying to drive your Martin Logans... Watch out for amps that just double down on watts... And watch out for that "can of worms"... You will have those MLs screeching instead of singing...
 

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Man I've been running ML's for years on top of years... you don't need expensive amps to drive them properly (unless you believe in myths)... been there and done that. No reason to spend crazy money. I've run them with several different Emotiva amps, and know several ML owners that use Emotiva. Never have had a minutes issue with Emotiva. I've used Krell, Parasound, Sunfire, Pass Labs, Van Alstine, Mark Levinson, Behringer... and even a Denon AVR... and a few other amps I can't remember. And 3 men with fabulous ears (and I was here as well) could not differentiate them in a blind test... done it. Switching back and forth with a Van Alstine ABx box... right here in my room. The only issue I've EVER had was the Denon AVR when I pushed the volume up to ear piercing levels.

Don't confuse this with me saying no one can hear a difference in amps... they think they may have heard some ever so slight differences (not necessarily one better than the other), but they could not identify the amps with any consistency. Others might be able to hear a difference, but I can confirm I can't at the levels I listen... and I can confirm that I have yet to hear a room that sounds better than mine... anywhere, including Axpona, Rocky Mountain, Capital City, Lone Star, several high-end homes, several audio showrooms, etc etc. ... I've heard well over a few hundred. Some sounded as good, but most sounded not as good, mainly due to poor setup.

I piddle and play with various equipment. I have a purpose for what I'm doing now... and this likely won't be the last change if I live a few more years. :bigsmile:

None the less... where I'm from $2,000 ain't exactly cheap when it comes to amps.
 

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I am not confusing you with anyone Sonnie... You seem to have a nice kit and room... I did not fully understand your requirements from your OP... Only suggesting you look at amps that can manage your Mantin Logan speakers deep dive into sub 2 ohm land... Or a device that can match your ML unique ohm requirements like the Zeros above... Over the years I have had fun with horn loaded and electrostatics also and have found that there is something to be said about better understanding and matching these unique speakers with amps... Some might even call it senergy... I just think of it as amplifier architecture verses speaker architecture... I do wish you good luck in your search...
 

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Personally it makes me queasy to see that many amplifier channels stuffed into a single box. I’d be more comfortable with something like a trio of QSC DCA 1824’s. But then, I’ve always been a gear-head. I like stacks of gear. :)

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That's what I am trying to get away from... too many pieces of equipment.

This would get me down to three large boxes and one small one for Dish satellite. Right now I have 4 amps requiring 4 AC outlets.

Of course you know me... 2-3 years from now I may add monoblocks back to the mix again.

Here is what one of the amp modules look like... this one is 490 watts at 4 ohms...

35130


And here is the stereo module... 100wpc at 4 ohms...

35131


These can be mixed and matched to create any number of configurations with up to 7 slots.

And they can produce up to 3 kW of fully regulated power with their new power supply units in these amps.

I believe Bob Carver had some influence on this new design they are using.
 

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Have you seen any 7.1 processors (2 SW outs) with "everything" included?
 

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NAD M17 v2... AudioControl Maestro X7/X9... Monolith HTP-1... those are a few.
 

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Have you seen any 7.1 processors (2 SW outs) with "everything" included?

If Dirac wasn't a requirement there are a lot more options. Anthem, Yamaha, Denon & Marantz all offer processors with dual sub out. Also any of the current Denon AVRs have a feature to shut off the amps and just use the pre-outs so they'll work well if you're not specifically looking for XLR connections to the external amp(s).
 

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I would NOT be shocked to see some of those names adopt Dirac Live... and/or their respective DSP systems make significant improvements to catch up to Dirac Live. As it stands right now, they are all way behind in my opinion. ARC does fairly well, but only in the lower frequencies.

I ended up snagging the Emotiva Eleven and will give it a spin as soon as it arrives.
 

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I would NOT be shocked to see some of those names adopt Dirac Live... and/or their respective DSP systems make significant improvements to catch up to Dirac Live. As it stands right now, they are all way behind in my opinion. ARC does fairly well, but only in the lower frequencies.

I ended up snagging the Emotiva Eleven and will give it a spin as soon as it arrives.

Wouldn’t that be sweet?
There’s also the Onkyo / Pioneer Dirac announcement.
 

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As I have looked at various brands with 5 to 9 channels. The cost is less than half of the more common 11-15 channel models. I will never have more than 7 channels. It would be nice to save $1K or more and spend it on bi amping my Khorns.
 

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I'm not seeing a lot of these available these days. 11 channels, 13, 16 channel amps.

Emotiva has a few that look promising, such as the Eleven that has the 3 high-powered single channels and the 4 lower powered (65 wpc) stereo pairs (8 channels).

Who else is making any like this with balanced inputs?

If you're up for a bit of basic assembly, try building your own with fully populated boards from Tom Christiansen at Neurochrome. It won't be cheap, but you will hear a difference.
 

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StormAudio ISP Elite 24 MK3 Processor
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McIntosh MC1.25KW Monoblock Amps
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StormAudio PA 16 MK3
Computer Audio
Intel NUC w/ Roon ROCK
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Panasonic UB9000 4K UHD Player (for media discs)
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RTJ 410
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MartinLogan Focus C-18
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JTR Neosis 110HT
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JTR Neosis 210RT
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JTR Neosis 210RT
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JTR Neosis 110HT-SL
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JTR Neosis 110HT-SL
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JTR Captivator 2400 x6
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VTI Amp Stands for the Monoblocks
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Sony 98X90L
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Universal MX-890
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FireCube for movies and Lenova Carbon X1 for Roon
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Lifetime Roon Subscription
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Dish Joey 4K
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Zero Surge 8R15W-1 | Salamander Synergy Equipment Stand
I wish I had the time to build something... swamped as it is.

I got the Eleven swapped out and so far it's working out perfectly. I'll be posting up sale a pair of Gen 2 XPA-1 monoblocks, a Seven and an A-150 very soon.
 

Dean from MPLS MN

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Minneapolis, MN
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Anthem AVM 60
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MC 302
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ADCOM GFA 7500 Crown XLS 1500
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MC 50 Pre Amp
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OPPO BDP-95
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Klipschorns
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Klipsch La Scala II
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Klipsch Heresy x 2
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Tannoy Arden x 2
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Klipsch SW 115 x 2
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Apple TV 4, Panamax Power Control Center
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Sony Bravia XBR-65X950H
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Logitech Harmony
I recently developed spare time, I just retired! Kits do sound interesting but I would need to start small and work up to something like that. Do you use a regular source for kits?
 

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I recently developed spare time, I just retired! Kits do sound interesting but I would need to start small and work up to something like that. Do you use a regular source for kits?
A good way to start out is the Nelson Pass Amp Camp amps. They have detailed instructions,and I believe videos on building a little 2 channel class a amp. They also have a amp camp usually every year that you can go to, and they assist you in building an amp. Now this amp requires soldering all the parts. The Icepower amps can be purchased from Parts Express or from Ghent Audio, and you can assemble without soldering or only a couple of pieces to solder...where as the Amp Camp ones are bare.boards and you solder everything.
 
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