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It's been a labor of love, setting up a blank canvas of a wall with just a bare gas fireplace to begin with. A 3 month journey begins, so go grab some popcorn and read on!!
Introduction:
The room is 25 wide by about 15 deep with openings to the right left and center to the entry way, kitchen and hallway that continues to open up to a double door entry den/office. The ceiling slopes from 10 feet on the corner of the wall where the TV will be above the fireplace to 9 feet by the sitting area. Guestimated at about 2800-3000 cu.ft hence why I went with Ultra 2 and Select 2 speakers, at least that's my personal justification!
Components to bring the room alive:
2020 75" Samsung Frame TV
In wall Klipsch PRO-7800 for right and left
In wall Klipsch THX-504L for center
MiniDSP UMIK-1 Measurement Microphone
Topping E30 DAC / L30 HeadAMP
Custom reclaimed mantle from Etsy
Pre-existing B&K AVR507 - THX Ultra2 Receiver*
*Will be replacing Onkyo TX-SR503 used presently for audio only paired with Klipsch RB75s for R/L and an Infinity BETA C250 as center, trio configured to play All Ch Stereo Mode
Other parts:
Legrand - OnQ EN1400 enclosure mounted behind TV between studs to house the OneConnect Box and power
Element-Hz Power Series 1800 Joules single gang surge protector outlet
8K Fiber Optic HDMI cables (supports 8K@60Hz, 4K@120Hz, 48Gbps, Dynamic HDR, 3D, eARC, Dolby Vision, HDCP2.2)
Fiber Optic Toslink (my receiver doesn't have eARC)
10ga twisted speaker cable, nice but hard to work with, hindsight 12 or 14awg would of worked fine...
Cat 8 network cables (from office/den to oneconnect box and also to homerun location)
Wallplates for speaker wire, network, toslink for homerun location where AV setup is
Jigsaw with 6" blade to cut through a non load bearing stud for the left speaker install
I'll add some pics soon, I'll share some of the rewind and provide a bit of a play by play! Hope some are interested to see the progress!
Update 1: [Room Dimensions and Thermal View]
Update 2: Conceptual TV Placement, Power Planning/Surge Suppression, and My Inspiration
This shows the installation wall for the future TV - this pic was pre-purchase of the 2020 Frame TV. The TV itself based on the measurements would cover all the blue post-it notes, doing this rough in helped me gain some perspective on how it would look. Which was important because I was factoring in the center channel and R/L in-wall speakers, and possibly even a real frame for the Frame TV and wanted everything to be symmetrical and spaced properly. Since this is the first wall you pretty much see when you come into the home I wanted to make sure that the TV selection was one whereby I could flush mount and blend the massive electronic device into the decor a bit more than other selections. There are many other better and brighter TVs out there but I'm happy with this choice for the application. We have a 32" frame in the kitchen and it turned out literally like a work of art.
Perhaps premature, I wanted to make sure my TV was surge protected for warranty purposes and while there is no power in this location to the right of the fireplace on the wall you can't see there is. I simply ran some new wire off that outlet and fed it behind where the TV will go, more on that in a future post! This fits in an OnQ 14x14 box which is a 'perfect' fit for the OneConnect box. When I say perfect, I needed to manually mess with the top of the OnQ box (aka bending it up a bit and then bending it back) in order to get the OneConnect in there but for $30 open box Amazon purchase I wasn't too worried about doing that, besides the OnQ will sit behind the TV in the wall, ultimately mounted recessed between the two studs.
Also, unrelated to the install but I'd like to share out an old pic of a stereo setup as an early teen many years ago. We all have our inspiration, and I've always been building speakers, taking things apart and breaking plenty of things too in the process. This project was inspired by the early days of enjoying my music, I actually still have the graphic EQ and Yamaha tape deck integrated in my present day setup. I've since added a record player to get some vinyl into the mix of everything else digital! Sorry, the strobe light has long been retired, but I do have a newer version of the Sharper Image Eye of the Storm lighting in my sons room which he loves!
Update 3: Ring Doorbell Side Project, Pathway Lighting, Wall Switch Upgrades
While I was waiting for the TV and other parts to arrive (does it ever end?) I decided the work on the room ambiance and some of the other finishing touches, namely around accent lighting and light switches. I decided to use my Snap receptacle down lighting I've had for a number of years from home to home as I've rented. After my 1st home purchase since the 2006 real estate bubble burst, I was on a mission to replace as many of my late 1980s original plugs the house was built with because every one of these old plugs were so loose anything you tried to plug in simply fell out! The first step was replacing the old plugs to the Leviton 5325-WMP Decora Duplex Receptacles, then the SnapPower LED guidelights/downlighting fit right over.
So many parallel projects at once, this is and example of the behind the scene receptacle replacement. In this instance I expanded a single gang box to a double gang to run an external transformer to full time trickle charge/power my Ring doorbell that came with the house but never worked as it constantly had to be disconnected and charged manually. I decided since this was also at an end table (off the side of my couch) location I would put some USB-A/USB-C quick charge capability, remember this room is supposed to be for sports get together events/parties and music listening and this one nobody needs a power brick, just a charging cable!
This is my helper! She's a ragdoll kitten, about 6 mo old at time of this project. She's always under me, but don't worry when I'm using a drywall saw I make sure she's occupied elsewhere or taking a nap! Here I'm confirming I can fish low voltage wire up to the other side where the Ring doorbell is. This box eventually was ripped out as mentioned above in favor of a double gang box and external transformer to power the Ring.
In general here's how terrible the existing receptacles were and what they look like now!
Here's the final outcome of the downlighting in one of the hallways with the SnapPower guidelights. It really lights up the path going to and from the bedroom at night to get water or perhaps a midnight snack! I made sure not to put the downlighting in the room itself where I am installing the new TV and speakers so we can opt to also watch some movies or late night TV in this location in the dark without distractions of ambient light. The guidelight located in the bottom left of this picture below is the receptacle I extended power off of to feed the TV wall.
Okay, so now onto the upgraded wall switches. Again, outside the room itself where the TV sits and speakers near the fireplace, but to give the surrounding space some presence I installed 3 iotty wall switches, and paired the kitchen and hallway up with Philips LIFX BR30 high hat lighting. I got the LIFX bulbs all on sale deeply discounted on the manufacturers website as certified renewed/refurbished with full warranty! One of the iotty wall plates lost two of it's tabs that the glass top snaps onto but iotty sent me not just the two gang replacement free of charge, also sent me a one gang replacement as backup if ever needed. I'm in no way affiliated with iotty just sharing a great customer service experience!
Update 4: Current Layout, the TV arrives (finally), and Bracket Placement
I thought by now you'd like to see a bit more of what the actual room looks like without the TV. The great room was recently split into two sections, with two chairs and a coffee table on one end, and then a couch and love seat with another coffee table on the other end. The wall for the TV as you can see is angled a bit, which comes into play later in my discussion about the selection of the speakers which undoubtedly probably spark some opinions, but more on that later.
So this is what a typical evening looks like, with the fireplace on, some music playing in the background -- either streaming with Amazon Music HD or the record player. I don't like having to get up to flip the record quite honestly, but both get pretty heavy use, gotta get my steps in some how! The EQ is an old BSR 10 band graphic equalizer from the infamous DAK catalog from back in the day, I love the light show. What I'd like to do is set my 3 speakers over there on the left as my "left" soundstage and the 3 speakers on the TV wall as my "right" soundstage when playing music and as an option when watching sports/TV. And when watching a movie be able to use the speakers on the TV wall exclusively as the traditional R/L and center...I think -- with option to put them all on I'll set up a poll later to judge if I'm nuts or if it's a good idea given the room configuration, and would love comments on how to wire that with a switchbox or something.
Here we are back to the future home theater wall, the TV finally arrived and there it sits in all it's glory in the box. Probably the most satisfying yet frustrating part of getting a new TV is the anticipation of getting it setup, but I have been patiently waiting trying to make sure power, cables, measurements, speakers are exactly were they need to be, measure twice, cut once! The project has not been without it's share of many other roadblocks and side projects, but it's been a fun challenge seeing it materialize!
First thing I did is take the flush mount out and center it, and figure out where the studs were so I was certain to have 4 lag bolts in solid wood studs. The picture with the two extra drill holes to the right is after I got a new Bosch CO14B 14 Pc. Cobalt M42 Drill Bit Set that contains 8% Cobalt. It went right through this steel like butter it was amazing!
Update 5: More Planning
So I'm getting better each time I iterate with my sketches of what goes where and how it all somewhat proportionally looks together! I originally had the speakers lower where the yellow post-it notes are but that chair, and perhaps one day some element of a base of a Christmas tree might be in that space so I finally arrived with having the R/L centered with the center channel and spaced wide enough for clear borders with the TV, enough even if I decide to put a larger frame around the TV. So my choice for the R/L for budget reasons but also after some research and looking at the room schematic and what I'm mainly using this space for at the KS vs KL editions. If Bose Virtually Invisible 891 series can get away with being a front sound stage, given the room dynamics I feel good about these sounding great and delivering a great blend of music all throughout the living space without any dead zones but enough separation. Having the THX-504-L helps anchor the dialogue for TV/Movies very well.
This is one of several iterations of finding out the best placement for the right and left speakers and their relation to possibly a future frame around the new TV.
It was such an exciting set of days getting the 7800 speakers in. The center was delayed due to weather in shipping and of course that meant I wouldn't get the speaker on Friday like originally planned and had to wait a whole weekend to await delivery on a Monday! It was okay though I had tons of other work to do but I was anxiously awaiting that beast of a center! In my other room where I have it set up for movies I am running a pair of Klipsch RF7s (cherry) and matching RC7, and had some special installation plans for this THX-504-L, explained in a future update below!
Apparently I'm at a max 25 images already, so I will continue this home theater build project journey and ultimate reveal in the next post!
Continued in New Sports and Music Destination, Part 2
Introduction:
The room is 25 wide by about 15 deep with openings to the right left and center to the entry way, kitchen and hallway that continues to open up to a double door entry den/office. The ceiling slopes from 10 feet on the corner of the wall where the TV will be above the fireplace to 9 feet by the sitting area. Guestimated at about 2800-3000 cu.ft hence why I went with Ultra 2 and Select 2 speakers, at least that's my personal justification!
Components to bring the room alive:
2020 75" Samsung Frame TV
In wall Klipsch PRO-7800 for right and left
In wall Klipsch THX-504L for center
MiniDSP UMIK-1 Measurement Microphone
Topping E30 DAC / L30 HeadAMP
Custom reclaimed mantle from Etsy
Pre-existing B&K AVR507 - THX Ultra2 Receiver*
*Will be replacing Onkyo TX-SR503 used presently for audio only paired with Klipsch RB75s for R/L and an Infinity BETA C250 as center, trio configured to play All Ch Stereo Mode
Other parts:
Legrand - OnQ EN1400 enclosure mounted behind TV between studs to house the OneConnect Box and power
Element-Hz Power Series 1800 Joules single gang surge protector outlet
8K Fiber Optic HDMI cables (supports 8K@60Hz, 4K@120Hz, 48Gbps, Dynamic HDR, 3D, eARC, Dolby Vision, HDCP2.2)
Fiber Optic Toslink (my receiver doesn't have eARC)
10ga twisted speaker cable, nice but hard to work with, hindsight 12 or 14awg would of worked fine...
Cat 8 network cables (from office/den to oneconnect box and also to homerun location)
Wallplates for speaker wire, network, toslink for homerun location where AV setup is
Jigsaw with 6" blade to cut through a non load bearing stud for the left speaker install
I'll add some pics soon, I'll share some of the rewind and provide a bit of a play by play! Hope some are interested to see the progress!
Update 1: [Room Dimensions and Thermal View]
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Update 2: Conceptual TV Placement, Power Planning/Surge Suppression, and My Inspiration
This shows the installation wall for the future TV - this pic was pre-purchase of the 2020 Frame TV. The TV itself based on the measurements would cover all the blue post-it notes, doing this rough in helped me gain some perspective on how it would look. Which was important because I was factoring in the center channel and R/L in-wall speakers, and possibly even a real frame for the Frame TV and wanted everything to be symmetrical and spaced properly. Since this is the first wall you pretty much see when you come into the home I wanted to make sure that the TV selection was one whereby I could flush mount and blend the massive electronic device into the decor a bit more than other selections. There are many other better and brighter TVs out there but I'm happy with this choice for the application. We have a 32" frame in the kitchen and it turned out literally like a work of art.
Perhaps premature, I wanted to make sure my TV was surge protected for warranty purposes and while there is no power in this location to the right of the fireplace on the wall you can't see there is. I simply ran some new wire off that outlet and fed it behind where the TV will go, more on that in a future post! This fits in an OnQ 14x14 box which is a 'perfect' fit for the OneConnect box. When I say perfect, I needed to manually mess with the top of the OnQ box (aka bending it up a bit and then bending it back) in order to get the OneConnect in there but for $30 open box Amazon purchase I wasn't too worried about doing that, besides the OnQ will sit behind the TV in the wall, ultimately mounted recessed between the two studs.
Also, unrelated to the install but I'd like to share out an old pic of a stereo setup as an early teen many years ago. We all have our inspiration, and I've always been building speakers, taking things apart and breaking plenty of things too in the process. This project was inspired by the early days of enjoying my music, I actually still have the graphic EQ and Yamaha tape deck integrated in my present day setup. I've since added a record player to get some vinyl into the mix of everything else digital! Sorry, the strobe light has long been retired, but I do have a newer version of the Sharper Image Eye of the Storm lighting in my sons room which he loves!
Update 3: Ring Doorbell Side Project, Pathway Lighting, Wall Switch Upgrades
While I was waiting for the TV and other parts to arrive (does it ever end?) I decided the work on the room ambiance and some of the other finishing touches, namely around accent lighting and light switches. I decided to use my Snap receptacle down lighting I've had for a number of years from home to home as I've rented. After my 1st home purchase since the 2006 real estate bubble burst, I was on a mission to replace as many of my late 1980s original plugs the house was built with because every one of these old plugs were so loose anything you tried to plug in simply fell out! The first step was replacing the old plugs to the Leviton 5325-WMP Decora Duplex Receptacles, then the SnapPower LED guidelights/downlighting fit right over.
So many parallel projects at once, this is and example of the behind the scene receptacle replacement. In this instance I expanded a single gang box to a double gang to run an external transformer to full time trickle charge/power my Ring doorbell that came with the house but never worked as it constantly had to be disconnected and charged manually. I decided since this was also at an end table (off the side of my couch) location I would put some USB-A/USB-C quick charge capability, remember this room is supposed to be for sports get together events/parties and music listening and this one nobody needs a power brick, just a charging cable!
This is my helper! She's a ragdoll kitten, about 6 mo old at time of this project. She's always under me, but don't worry when I'm using a drywall saw I make sure she's occupied elsewhere or taking a nap! Here I'm confirming I can fish low voltage wire up to the other side where the Ring doorbell is. This box eventually was ripped out as mentioned above in favor of a double gang box and external transformer to power the Ring.
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In general here's how terrible the existing receptacles were and what they look like now!
Here's the final outcome of the downlighting in one of the hallways with the SnapPower guidelights. It really lights up the path going to and from the bedroom at night to get water or perhaps a midnight snack! I made sure not to put the downlighting in the room itself where I am installing the new TV and speakers so we can opt to also watch some movies or late night TV in this location in the dark without distractions of ambient light. The guidelight located in the bottom left of this picture below is the receptacle I extended power off of to feed the TV wall.
Okay, so now onto the upgraded wall switches. Again, outside the room itself where the TV sits and speakers near the fireplace, but to give the surrounding space some presence I installed 3 iotty wall switches, and paired the kitchen and hallway up with Philips LIFX BR30 high hat lighting. I got the LIFX bulbs all on sale deeply discounted on the manufacturers website as certified renewed/refurbished with full warranty! One of the iotty wall plates lost two of it's tabs that the glass top snaps onto but iotty sent me not just the two gang replacement free of charge, also sent me a one gang replacement as backup if ever needed. I'm in no way affiliated with iotty just sharing a great customer service experience!
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Update 4: Current Layout, the TV arrives (finally), and Bracket Placement
I thought by now you'd like to see a bit more of what the actual room looks like without the TV. The great room was recently split into two sections, with two chairs and a coffee table on one end, and then a couch and love seat with another coffee table on the other end. The wall for the TV as you can see is angled a bit, which comes into play later in my discussion about the selection of the speakers which undoubtedly probably spark some opinions, but more on that later.
So this is what a typical evening looks like, with the fireplace on, some music playing in the background -- either streaming with Amazon Music HD or the record player. I don't like having to get up to flip the record quite honestly, but both get pretty heavy use, gotta get my steps in some how! The EQ is an old BSR 10 band graphic equalizer from the infamous DAK catalog from back in the day, I love the light show. What I'd like to do is set my 3 speakers over there on the left as my "left" soundstage and the 3 speakers on the TV wall as my "right" soundstage when playing music and as an option when watching sports/TV. And when watching a movie be able to use the speakers on the TV wall exclusively as the traditional R/L and center...I think -- with option to put them all on I'll set up a poll later to judge if I'm nuts or if it's a good idea given the room configuration, and would love comments on how to wire that with a switchbox or something.
Here we are back to the future home theater wall, the TV finally arrived and there it sits in all it's glory in the box. Probably the most satisfying yet frustrating part of getting a new TV is the anticipation of getting it setup, but I have been patiently waiting trying to make sure power, cables, measurements, speakers are exactly were they need to be, measure twice, cut once! The project has not been without it's share of many other roadblocks and side projects, but it's been a fun challenge seeing it materialize!
First thing I did is take the flush mount out and center it, and figure out where the studs were so I was certain to have 4 lag bolts in solid wood studs. The picture with the two extra drill holes to the right is after I got a new Bosch CO14B 14 Pc. Cobalt M42 Drill Bit Set that contains 8% Cobalt. It went right through this steel like butter it was amazing!
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Update 5: More Planning
So I'm getting better each time I iterate with my sketches of what goes where and how it all somewhat proportionally looks together! I originally had the speakers lower where the yellow post-it notes are but that chair, and perhaps one day some element of a base of a Christmas tree might be in that space so I finally arrived with having the R/L centered with the center channel and spaced wide enough for clear borders with the TV, enough even if I decide to put a larger frame around the TV. So my choice for the R/L for budget reasons but also after some research and looking at the room schematic and what I'm mainly using this space for at the KS vs KL editions. If Bose Virtually Invisible 891 series can get away with being a front sound stage, given the room dynamics I feel good about these sounding great and delivering a great blend of music all throughout the living space without any dead zones but enough separation. Having the THX-504-L helps anchor the dialogue for TV/Movies very well.
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This is one of several iterations of finding out the best placement for the right and left speakers and their relation to possibly a future frame around the new TV.
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|
It was such an exciting set of days getting the 7800 speakers in. The center was delayed due to weather in shipping and of course that meant I wouldn't get the speaker on Friday like originally planned and had to wait a whole weekend to await delivery on a Monday! It was okay though I had tons of other work to do but I was anxiously awaiting that beast of a center! In my other room where I have it set up for movies I am running a pair of Klipsch RF7s (cherry) and matching RC7, and had some special installation plans for this THX-504-L, explained in a future update below!
Apparently I'm at a max 25 images already, so I will continue this home theater build project journey and ultimate reveal in the next post!
Continued in New Sports and Music Destination, Part 2
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