Myth-Busting Hi-Fi: Tweeter Tricks and Off-Axis Myths

[Bob Rapoport]

The Myth:
Some manufacturers recommend turning speakers inward or outward to “smooth out” the treble response. The story goes that off-axis listening gives you a more natural sound.


The Truth:
Physics says otherwise. As frequency rises, wavelengths shorten. Bass spreads like a balloon, but treble beams forward like a flashlight. The only way to hear the full frequency response — especially in the high frequencies — is to listen on-axis.


When a manufacturer tells you to toe-in or toe-out unnaturally, it’s often to mask flaws such as tweeter ringing or resonances at the top end. In other words, it’s a design compromise, not a performance feature.


Why It Matters:
Stereo recordings are mixed to create a 3D soundstage, with instruments and voices placed precisely across the stage. If you’re listening off-axis, you’re throwing away localization cues and detail. On-axis, with careful setup, you hear what the artist and engineer intended.


The Takeaway:
Don’t let myths or marketing gimmicks steer you off course. Start with on-axis listening — the physics are on your side.

 

[w_sizer]

It depends…If you’re listening to speakers with an elevated in-room treble response, you can reduce listening fatigue by angling them slightly off-axis from the MLP. Moreover, some speakers (eg, ones with concentric drivers) are actually designed to be angled out by 10-15 degrees). See attached YT review of the KEF R3 Meta by Erin’s Audio Corner.

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[Bob Rapoport]

It depends…If you’re listening to speakers with an elevated in-room treble response, you can reduce listening fatigue by angling them slightly off-axis from the MLP. Moreover, some speakers (eg, ones with concentric drivers) are actually designed to be angled out by 10-15 degrees). See attached YT review of the KEF R3 Meta by Erin’s Audio Corner.

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"Some kind of diffraction element if you don't toe the speaker out 10-15 degrees" sounds to me like a design flaw being covered up. This means the highest frequencies are aimed away from the listener and end up as reflections that can interfere with the coherent soundwaves, smearing the stereo image. The ASR measured frequency response graph shows the tweeter output in red with a significant peak at 10 KHz with a rapid roll-off beyond. This may account for what the reviewer heard.

 

[JStewart]

This means the highest frequencies are aimed away from the listener and end up as reflections that can interfere with the coherent soundwaves, smearing the stereo image.

Likely not in this case due to the directivity, which is narrow and very even compared to most speakers and I think that was the point.

The ASR measured frequency response graph shows the tweeter output in red with a significant peak at 10 KHz with a rapid roll-off beyond. This may account for what the reviewer heard.

Amir on ASR measured the previous version, not the meta version.

I’d like think the correct approach for the average home listener is to first set speakers up on axis and then experiment with toe-in or out to suit. Folks have different tastes and different rooms, not to mention wildly different speakers.

 

[Bob Rapoport]

Likely not in this case due to the directivity, which is narrow and very even compared to most speakers and I think that was the point.



Amir on ASR measured the previous version, not the meta version.

I’d like think the correct approach for the average home listener is to first set speakers up on axis and then experiment with toe-in or out to suit. Folks have different tastes and different rooms, not to mention wildly different speakers.

The response chart above says its testing the Meta version. The top octave of audible sound in humans is 10KHz to 20KHz;. Most of it is like a flashlight beam 6: wide. The very highest frequencies are like a laser beam, less than an inch wide. The higher the frequency, the narrower the wavelength. Being off-axis just a little bit means that beam of high frequencies can miss our ears and hit the wall behind us. Its the difference between hearing the localization cues in the music or not. We humans are quite good at that. Most mammals have even better hearing than we do.

The human auditory system evolved over millennia for survival, hearing the sound of a twig snapping at 50 yards away and knowing within inches the location of the twig was the difference between life and death. This ability is put to use by audiophiles who value pin-point precision imaging. I think the Uni-Q technology puts the tweeter where it belongs, as a point source, it has a better chance of delivering pin-point imaging than most speakers. The industrial design and craftsmanship are state-of-the-art.

 

[JStewart]

The response chart above says its testing the Meta version.

Yes, it does. Not my point though.

Most of it is like a flashlight beam 6: wide. The very highest frequencies are like a laser beam, less than an inch wide. The higher the frequency, the narrower the wavelength. Being off-axis just a little bit means that beam of high frequencies can miss our ears and hit the wall behind us.

I believe this is conflating wave length and beam width. It’s either that or I am completely missing the point on charts such as this:

I read this as for a good portion of the upper HF range above 10k the frequency is not falling off between +20° and -20°. If correct, the width of the beam is greater than 7 ft at a distance of 10ft. Is this not correct?

 

[ddude003]

@JStewart had said: "I’d like think the correct approach for the average home listener is to first set speakers up on axis and then experiment with toe-in or out to suit. Folks have different tastes and different rooms, not to mention wildly different speakers."

Not to mention ears and brain... Although I may not be the "average home listener", I like my Martin Logan ESLs pointed to cross about 12 inches behind my head (toe-out from on-axis)... And that is with precise room location positioning, time aligning and DRC FIR EQing over a B&H type house curve...

Another thing to consider might be the Fletcher Munson effect and how do you effectively A/B variations of toe...

 

[Bob Rapoport]

Yes, it does. Not my point though.

I believe this is conflating wave length and beam width. It’s either that or I am completely missing the point on charts such as this:
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I read this as for a good portion of the upper HF range above 10k the frequency is not falling off between +20° and -20°. If correct, the width of the beam is greater than 7 ft at a distance of 10ft. Is this not correct?

You make a good point about starting on-axis. Just to clarify the physics: wavelength is the speed of sound divided by frequency. At 10 kHz it’s about 1.35 inches, at 15 kHz around 0.9 inches, and at 20 kHz only 0.67 inches. That’s why tweeters beam like a laser beam at the top end — the wavelengths are tiny, not several feet wide. It’s exactly this narrowing that makes on-axis setup so important for hearing a precise stereo image. Thanks.

 

[Bob Rapoport]

@JStewart had said: "I’d like think the correct approach for the average home listener is to first set speakers up on axis and then experiment with toe-in or out to suit. Folks have different tastes and different rooms, not to mention wildly different speakers."

Not to mention ears and brain... Although I may not be the "average home listener", I like my Martin Logan ESLs pointed to cross about 12 inches behind my head (toe-out from on-axis)... And that is with precise room location positioning, time aligning and DRC FIR EQing over a B&H type house curve...

Another thing to consider might be the Fletcher Munson effect and how do you effectively A/B variations of toe...

AS you mentioned earlier, taste is a factor that cant be measured, its personal. Electrostats are famously directional and deliver pin-point imaging. They're also dipoles, creating a first early reflection from the wall behind them. 1/2 the output goes backwards. I had Final Electrostats for many years myself and loved that spacious sound field in my home theater system. It was fine for immersive soundtracks although the pin-point imaging was missing.

 

[JStewart]

You make a good point about starting on-axis. Just to clarify the physics: wavelength is the speed of sound divided by frequency. At 10 kHz it’s about 1.35 inches, at 15 kHz around 0.9 inches, and at 20 kHz only 0.67 inches. That’s why tweeters beam like a laser beam at the top end — the wavelengths are tiny, not several feet wide. It’s exactly this narrowing that makes on-axis setup so important for hearing a precise stereo image. Thanks.

Perhaps I’m confused. If the point is that SPL drops for a 15kHz if more than 0.9” off the tweeter axis then I can’t agree. If the meaning is other, then my apologies for being dense.

Also, and I know not part of the original article, my experience is equal time arrival and equal SPL by frequency of the two speakers are more important factors for imaging than being directly on axis.

 

[Bob Rapoport]

Perhaps I’m confused. If the point is that SPL drops for a 15kHz if more than 0.9” off the tweeter axis then I can’t agree. If the meaning is other, then my apologies for being dense.

Also, and I know not part of the original article, my experience is equal time arrival and equal SPL by frequency of the two speakers are more important factors for imaging than being directly on axis.

Thanks for your thoughtful follow-up — no worries at all, this is exactly the kind of discussion that helps everyone sharpen their understanding.


On the physics: the wavelength at 15 kHz is about 0.9 inches (speed of sound ÷ frequency). That means if you move just an inch or so off the tweeter’s central axis, the output in that top octave begins to roll off. Those very short wavelengths are what carry much of the fine spatial detail, so losing even a little of that direct energy does affect localization cues.


And on your second point — you’re right that equal arrival time and balanced SPL are critical for imaging. The key is that being off-axis changes both: one speaker arrives slightly sooner and louder than the other, and the precedence effect (our brain locking on to the first arriving sound) can skew the image. That’s why starting from an on-axis, equidistant sweet spot gives the most accurate reference before making any personal tweaks.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

On the physics: the wavelength at 15 kHz is about 0.9 inches (speed of sound ÷ frequency). That means if you move just an inch or so off the tweeter’s central axis, the output in that top octave begins to roll off.

Again, as someone else pointed out, you are conflating beam width with wavelength.

 

[w_sizer]

Again, as someone else pointed out, you are conflating beam width with wavelength.

Yes, I’m no physicist, but I believe wavelength is just that: length. Beam width is measured in radians or degrees. As I understand it, beam width expands as sound travels through the air. I agree with Bob on one point - this discussion is very educational.

 

[Kal Rubinson]

Beam width is measured in radians or degrees.

Beam width can be measured in radians/degrees with reference axis or as a length/width orthogonal to the axis.

 

[ddude003]

AS you mentioned earlier, taste is a factor that cant be measured, its personal. Electrostats are famously directional and deliver pin-point imaging. They're also dipoles, creating a first early reflection from the wall behind them. 1/2 the output goes backwards. I had Final Electrostats for many years myself and loved that spacious sound field in my home theater system. It was fine for immersive soundtracks although the pin-point imaging was missing.

My ML ESLs are a Curvilinear Line Source Dipole design which has a wider dispersion then flat panel designs like your Final Electrostats... I also have bass and wide band absorbers in the corners behind them minimizing the back side wave bounce off the wall... Both speakers are time alined to that MLP point 12 inches behind my head making each ear on axis to its respective L and R speaker... 15kHz and above is the in the air band area of the frequency spectrum and yes it may contain spacial information given the quality mastering of the content...