Manufacturer & Model
Pioneer Elite VSX-LX805 11.2 AV Receiver
MSRP
$2,999
Link
https://fave.co/4eVYGI6
Highlights
High-performance 11.2-channel capability; 150 Watts per channel; fully compatible with 8K/60Hz and 4K/120Hz video requirements; full-bandwidth Dirac Live room correction; Atmos, DTS:X, and Auro-3D onboard; dual independent subwoofer channels; Roon Ready and Works with Sonos; loads of connectivity options; excellent sound quality for movies and music at reference volume levels.
Summary
The Pioneer Elite LX805 is the flagship model in the Elite lineup, priced at $2,999. Packed with advanced technologies, the LX805 is a powerhouse for large home theater setups (up to 7.2.4 channels) or premium family room entertainment. Its robust Class A/B amplifier delivers 150 Watts per channel, complemented by dual independent subwoofer channels for precise bass management. Audio enhancements include full-bandwidth Dirac Live room correction with an optional Bass Control module, Roon Ready certification, and seamless integration with Sonos. On the video front, the LX805 supports all modern 4K and 8K requirements, including HDMI 2.1 compatibility. With its refined design, powerful performance, and flexibility, the Elite LX805 offers exceptional value for enthusiasts.
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Today, we’re dipping our toes in the waters of Elite’s top-end VSX-LX805 AV receiver (MSRP $2,999) with an in-depth review, dissecting its build quality, performance characteristics, specialties, and – yes – a few warts. Much like Integra-branded receivers released in 2023, the LX805 was conceptualized by US-based design leads who were particularly tuned into the wants and needs of enthusiasts and custom integrators. They listened to those communities and pushed hard internally to ensure the LX805 and its mates hit the street with appeal and technical pizzazz.

The LX805 wasn’t originally intended to slot as Elite’s top model. That role belonged to another design that never made it to production. You wouldn’t know it, though, because this receiver proudly flexes plenty of flagship-level muscle. Take its four subwoofer outputs, for instance. Unlike many receivers, these are split into two independent channels, allowing for precise tuning and time alignment for truly flexible subwoofer placement. Pair that with its dual calibration options – Dirac Live with Bass Control and MCACC Pro – and you have a system that caters to advanced users as well as those seeking a simpler setup. Of course, there are many other tech features and physical elements… so let’s dive in.


Physical Look and Feel
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Last year, we uploaded an unboxing video of the LX805, so if you’d like to hit pause and watch this beauty rise from its packaging, you can do so here. If you’re impatient and prefer to keep reading, know that the receiver arrives in grand fashion. My sample shipped triple-boxed in packaging designed from the ground up. The main box, adorned with striking graphics emphasizing the receiver’s advanced technology, contained a gloss-black Elite-branded accessories container—a fun nod to the brand’s iconic heritage – and the receiver, masterfully cocooned in custom styrofoam and protective wrap.

If you're a buyer who appreciates high-quality packaging, you'll be pleased.

The LX805 weighs nearly 50 lbs, making it hefty to lift. While it didn’t give me issues, you may want to recruit a friend for removal and placement. It’s also a sizeable piece of gear, standing at 7.3” tall and reaching 18.4” in depth. Be sure to read the measurement specs, add some extra space to account for any cables you plan to insert into the back, and confirm that the receiver will fit in your allotted space.

Much of the LX805’s weight comes from its Class A/B power section, which delivers 150W of power across 11 channels. That’s ten more watts per channel than Onkyo’s RZ70 and more than enough muscle to drive most tower and bookshelf speakers. Under the cover, the receiver’s internals drip with quality and organization. One feature you’ll immediately notice is four fanned heat sinks positioned on either side of the reference power transformer. These sinks are custom-molded and exclusive to some Elite and Integra models. For those of you wanting evidence of brand identity, Integra's sinks feature a sleek silver finish, while Elite's showcase a bold and striking black. While trivial, that kind of attention to detail is sure to appeal to hardcore fans of the brand.

To help with cooling, the LX805 has two oversized fans seated directly under its heat sinks. Fans, you say? Can't they get noisy? Yes, fans can, but it just so happens that the LX805's operate whisper-quiet, so there’s no need to worry about added noise.

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With all that amplifier power and attention to airflow, you might wonder how warm the receiver gets during extended heavy use. To test, I placed a full-sized Trinnov processor on top of the LX805, pushed the receiver hard for several hours, and then took measurements. I found external surface temperatures of 102°F (top) and 82°F to 90°F (various areas on the front, back, bottom, and sides). So, things can get quite warm, but I found nothing concerning here. Do make sure you give the receiver room to breathe, though – I wouldn't suggest locking it away in a closed cabinet.

Physically speaking, the LX805 is a head-turner, sporting features like a throwback orange LED display, smooth lines along the edge of its body, and tight radiuses on its corners. You’ll also find a brushed metal faceplate, large machined knobs that turn with a weighted feel, and a soft-touch drop-down panel capped in brushed metal. Truth be told, this receiver aligns perfectly with my aesthetic preferences, offering a forward-facing appearance that’s refreshingly classy.

Unfortunately, physical feel goods don't extend to every aspect of the LX805. Looking closely, you’ll find areas where cost cuts were made. For example, the included backlit remote carries a faux brushed metal face and feels plasticky and cheap in the hands. The receiver’s feet are also molded plastic, though they nearly fooled me; I had to remove a foot to confirm its material makeup. While neither of these is a deal breaker, I was shocked to find standard black and red speaker posts mounted on the backside. Given the LX805’s flagship status, I’d expect something of higher quality.


Distinctive Features
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Before we talk setup, let’s highlight some of the LX805’s more unique features that audiophiles may find appealing. To start, the receiver offers Elite's exclusive Precision Quartz for File-based Audio or PQFA. PQFA is used when media is sourced via network, USB, and Bluetooth. It stabilizes the clock signal during digital audio playback, purportedly reducing invasive jitter. This feature isn't found on Onkyo or Integra receivers.

The LX805’s AV Direct Mode also improves sound quality by limiting digital circuit activity associated with network, Bluetooth, and USB inputs. This can be engaged when listeners source audio from external devices connected to the LX805 via analog and digital inputs. In a similar vein, the receiver also has an HDMI Audio Exclusive Mode that shuts off the video side of the receiver’s HDMI Input 1 jack, eliminating another potential source of noise to the audio signals incoming through HDMI connections.

The Elite also carries two notable industry certifications that cater to audio functions. The first is Works With Sonos, which means the LX805 can integrate with an existing whole-home or single-speaker Sonos system. Essentially, the receiver can be added to and controlled through the Sonos app. So, the need to fidget with multiple apps is eliminated, and owners can make track selections and control volume levels all within Sonos' app architecture.

The other certification is Roon Ready, which means the receiver integrates seamlessly with Roon using the Roon Advanced Audio Transport (RAAT) protocol. This allows for bit-perfect playback, high-resolution audio support, multi-room synchronization, and complete control through the Roon app. Don't confuse Roon Ready with Roon Tested, which applies to devices verified to work with Roon but typically rely on alternative playback protocols like AirPlay or Chromecast – the LX805 gives you access to the good stuff.

Set-Up
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The LX805 marks a new chapter in graphical user interface design for Elite products, introducing a clean and user-friendly layout. It looks great and doesn't take much effort to navigate. First-time users, particularly those new to AVRs, will appreciate the intuitive onscreen instructions that guide you through essential setup tasks, like connecting to WiFi and configuring a room’s speaker arrangement, and some of the minutiae like hooking up HDMI eARC and performing a sound check to ensure speakers are properly connected to the correct terminals—the latter of which caught a mistake I made as I wired a 7.2.4 speaker array. Yes, even seasoned pros can cross their wires!

For me, the Elite had Wi-Fi set up and running in about 40 seconds, aided by integration with my iPhone. Of course, we've all experienced maddening problems with Wi-Fi, and the LX805 has tools to ease the pain. Within the menu system, you'll find a built-in network connection check that verifies MAC and IP addresses, performs a gateway ping, and runs an internet service test— all handy tools that are lightning-fast in response times.

Owners have two calibration systems at their disposal to fine-tune audio performance: Pioneer’s proprietary MCACC Pro and the highly regarded Dirac Live. Both can be used with the microphone included with the LX805. However, if you want to extract the absolute best from Dirac Live, consider investing in a miniDSP UMIK-1 microphone and running the calibration on a PC or Mac. For this review, I tested both MCACC and Dirac Live, along with Dirac's optional Bass Control module, using the included mic and free Pioneer Remote app (iOS, Android) to get that "out-of-the-box" user experience.

MCACC is definitively the weaker of the two calibration options, making it best suited for a quick set-up focused on basic tasks like setting speaker distances and channel levels. Pre and post-MCACC measurements revealed that the software actually degraded my system’s overall response. Bass frequencies were left virtually untouched, while frequencies above 200 Hz exhibited less flatness after correction. On the channel leveling front, MCACC managed to align the front left, right, and center channels within half a decibel of each other but struggled with the remaining channels, many of which were off by two to three decibels from reference.

My advice: skip MCACC and proceed directly to Dirac.

Dirac Live is a standout feature and a significant selling point of this receiver. Surprisingly, you can actually achieve impressive results with the included microphone and the free app, not to mention running Dirac with these tools is reasonably accessible to first-time users. If you're a true green-to-the-core newbie, you might need to ask for help on our forum. But I'm fairly confident that most will trial and error their way to good results.

Out of the box, Elite provides the full-bandwidth version of Dirac Live, which enables frequency corrections beyond 500Hz. For those looking to take things to the next level, Dirac Live Bass Control is available for an additional $299. It offers precise control and optimization of your subwoofers and is a recommended investment for serious enthusiasts.

Note, if you’re considering the LX805’s less expensive sibling, the LX505, Dirac Live Bass Control is not available as an add-on option.

As you can see in the images below, I crafted an aggressive house curve using the free Dirac tools available within the app. For whatever reason, I had difficulty taming decibel levels in the 10 to 20Hz range, so if the receiver were staying in my rack, I'd use a calibrated microphone and a laptop to dial things in a bit better. That said, the core of my review profile delivered plenty of clean punch during demo sessions, so I was happy.

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One of Dirac’s advantages is its ability to correct the impulse response of the audio system. This addresses time-domain issues like phase and timing errors, resulting in a more cohesive and accurate soundstage. As reflected in my before-and-after Room EQ measurements, Dirac effectively tightened up the response, enhancing clarity and coherence.

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A notable limitation of the LX805 is its ability to save only three Dirac profiles derived from a single set of measurements. In addition, you can’t store both MCACC and Dirac profiles simultaneously, which is something I'd consider to be an "enthusiast inconvenience." Receivers capable of storing a broader range of profiles typically cost thousands more, so I wouldn’t brand this as a major drawback – most owners probably won't care.


Performance
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So far, so good. Right? From unboxing to handling the receiver and running set-up procedures, the LX805 had practically won me over. It’s a device that strikes a perfect balance – offering enough complexity and advanced features to satisfy seasoned home theater enthusiasts while remaining approachable and intuitive for newcomers or those less tech-savvy. While I found a few spots in the menu system and user manual that could benefit from more detail, Elite’s design team truly knocked it out of the park from a usability standpoint.

That brings us to playback, where I'd like to begin by discussing an unsightly wart: the LX805’s built-in Bluetooth Transmitter. I have to admit, seeing "Bluetooth Transmitter" listed in the specs kicked my expectations into overdrive, leading me to assume I'd experience a process that was easy and reliable for both movies and music. I was expecting a lot, and in my case, those expectations were well off the mark.

The most significant issue was getting the LX805 to recognize my earbuds, which included Atlantic Technology’s TSW-1 and Bowers & Wilkins Pi8. The receiver became stuck in pairing mode during several attempts, effectively freezing and becoming unresponsive. The only remedy was to power down the unit, restart it, and try again.

Following one successful pairing attempt, I tried sourcing tunes through Spotify Connect. Activating Spotify instantly disconnected my earbuds, sending me back to the frustrating cycle of pairing. To make things worse, my system also lost all audio output capabilities after the buds went dark. To get everything working again, I had to power down the receiver, restart it, and then cycle between inputs before the speakers would play any sound.

It became complexly frustrating and not something I'd want those less technically inclined to troubleshoot.

Did I ultimately get the transmitter to work? At times, yes... with music, but I was never able to reliably stream movie audio. Any audio linked to video content was laggy and full of connection issues. So, from my experience, the Bluetooth Transmitter is a feature worth ignoring.

The rest of my time test-driving the LX805 was pure fun. For this review, the receiver drove a range of GoldenEar Technology speakers (Triton One.R mains, Triton Reference Center, Invisa in-walls for surround and rear) along with SVS Elevation height speakers and dual SVS SB16 Ultra subs. Sources included Apple TV 4K, Kaleidescape, and a Panasonic UB9000 universal disc player.

Movie content with the LX805 was exceptional, offering a deeply immersive audio experience. Lone Survivor (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) has become one of my demo films, and upmixing its audio track using the receiver's built-in Auro-3D Auromatic engine produced fantastic results. I focused on two standout scenes:

The first begins with actor Alexander Ludwig reciting the Frogman’s Ballad as helicopters arrive to pick up Navy SEALs and transport them into the mountains. This scene is packed with dynamic energy, and it really highlighted the correction capabilities of Dirac Live and Bass Control as compared to MCACC. While MCACC testing produced a serviceable audio experience, Dirac Live took it to another level, expanding the soundstage beyond the room’s boundaries and sharpening the center image with notable precision. Bass during this scene is widely varied, and the LX805 conducted a low-end presentation that was nuanced and impactful, seamlessly integrating into the mix.

The second scene, the opening moments of the battle in the mountains, reinforced the LX805’s ability to recreate incredible atmospherics. The speakers handled reference-level playback effortlessly, producing crystal-clear audio that filled the room with power and detail.

Next up was Devotion in 4K with Dolby Atmos. The final battle scene and subsequent plane crash are loaded with immersive activity, and the LX805 brought the scene to life. Sound pans were precise with pinpoint accuracy, and the film's action sequences filled the front soundstage with thunderous audio. Even the quiet, more subtle moments—like the whispers of wind or soft dialogue—were impressive. And let's not forget about the bass, which was exceptionally well-managed: impactful without feeling bloated, blending seamlessly with the rest of the sound.

I usually avoid reading other reviews before evaluating equipment, but a forum member pointed me toward one write-up that claimed the LX805 tended to render dialogue as flat. To investigate, I played one of the films mentioned in that review – Interstellar (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) – and found nothing objectionable. Dialogue clarity and texture sounded perfectly fine on my system.

To dig deeper, I turned to Pulp Fiction (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) and its iconic Jackrabbit Slim’s twist contest. From Vincent Vega chatting with Mia Wallace through her home's intercom system to conversation in the lively ambiance of the restaurant, dialogue came through rich and engaging. I couldn’t detect any issues here, either.

I suspect – but am not 100% sure – that any dialog complaints may have stemmed from differences in room correction and how it’s been applied. So, take that for what it's worth.

One limitation worth noting—and one that some potential owners might be curious about—is the playback and upmixing restrictions for Dolby-encoded content. With Dolby, you’re limited to native playback or Dolby modes, such as Dolby Surround or Dolby Atmos. In contrast, DTS-encoded content, including DTS-HD MA and DTS:X, is more flexible, allowing you to choose between Auro-3D or Dolby mixers.

I was pleasantly surprised to find in-depth onscreen audio and video details available by pressing the remote’s “Info” button. On the audio side, you can quickly identify how audio is being sourced, along with native codec, channel count, and resolution information. You can also see what, if any, processing is engaged, the output channel count, and what type of room correction is being used. Video details are equally impressive, showing source content resolution, frames per second, color depth, and high dynamic range information. I mention this because enthusiasts often want to confirm what kind of content is being sourced and how it’s being presented — the LX805 delivers on all fronts.

For stereo testing, I reached for John Bellion's The Human Condition, Norah Jones' Come Away With Me, Pink Floyd’s remastered Dark Side of the Moon, and a collection of favorite tracks ranging from bass-heavy electronica to the subtleties of ambient pieces like those from Aphex Twin. These reference tracks cemented my opinion of the LX805’s overarching competency with both 2-channel and multi-channel audio, with a positive nod toward Auro's Auromatic upmixing. It sounded great.

There were moments when music presentations appeared slightly crispy or subtly jagged on the higher end of frequencies. I switched between Dirac and native playback, and that trace signature remained, so I'm left to assume the LX805 has a taste of innate brightness to its sound. However, I'll be the first to admit that my observations may have been my ears and brain picking up on details that have always been present in some tracks. I certainly heard nothing cringeworthy, and the receiver is definitively built to sing boldly and proudly. In fact, the LX805 confidently pushed volumes to reference levels without running out of steam or succumbing to distortion.

This, folks, is one fine piece of equipment.

Conclusion
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What we have in the LX805 is an impressive package that’s sure to please. Its design is thoughtful, its construction is impressive, and its performance factors are on full display the second you plug it in.

You want muscle? The LX805 can flex and push your system hard. You want modern technologies? The LX805 carries high-level AV connectivity and plays nicely with every immersive audio format on the planet. You want tuned sound? The LX805 hands you Dirac Live Full Version out of the box with an option for Bass Control. You want individuality? As I detailed, the LX805 has some characteristics you’d be hard-pressed to find elsewhere.

Priced at $2,999, the Elite VSX-LX805 isn’t an inexpensive purchase. So here’s my recommendation: If your budget is loose and you’re ready to buy, pull the trigger and enjoy this fabulous receiver today. You won’t regret it. For those with a tight budget or if $2,999 is well out of your range, be patient and watch for sales. Just before the holidays, the LX805 could be found for as little as $1,499 online. At that price, there isn’t a receiver on the market that can compete with this flagship offering.




Pioneer Elite VSX-LX805 Receiver Specifications
  • Channels: 7.2.4 (11 amplified)
    Power Output: 150 W x 11 (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08% THD, 2-channel driven, FTC)
    Amplifier Class: Class AB, all-new symmetric design
  • Audio Processing: Two precision 32-bit ESS ES9026PRO Hyperstream® audiophile DACs
  • HDMI Inputs/Outputs: 7 In / 3 Out (eARC)
  • HDMI Capabilities Across 6 Rear: 8K, 4K Ultra HD, HDMI 2.1, HDCP2.3, Dolby Vision, HDR10+
  • Control: Ethernet, RS232, IR
  • Audio Inputs: 7 x HDMI, 1 x XLR, 4 x RCA, 1 x RCA Phono, 3 x Optical, 2 x Coaxial
  • Audio Outputs: 15 x Preamp RCA, 2 x Preamp XLR, Zone 2 Stereo RCA, Zone 3 Stereo RCA
  • Room Correction: MCACC, Dirac Live Premium Version included, Dirac Live Bass Control Single/Multi-Sub available via user upgrade
  • Surround Modes: Dolby Atmos, Dolby Surround, DTS:X, Neural:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro-3D (FW update June 2023)
  • Streaming Features: Roon Ready, Chromecast, AirPlay 2, Spotify, Amazon Music HD, Tidal, Deezer, Pandora, TuneIn, DTS Play-Fi
  • Dimensions (H x W x D): 7.3 x 17.1 x 18.4 inches
  • Weight: 47.4 pounds
  • Warranty: 3 years (parts and labor)

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The additional wiring in the 805 for its balanced I/O, some might argue, could affect the the sound, was what I was getting at.

THX curves can be applied to any speaker. THX is not in itself a driver, or cabinet design, that all THX-certified products share, but rather that they meet specific THX performance and measurement results in specific environments (room sizes, screen sizes, etc.). There are probably way more speakers and amplifiers and displays that meet and exceed THX specifications that aren't THX-certified out there than are, but could easily be if the brand chose to pay for the testing and llogo. At one time, Pioneer had more THX-certified gear than all the other brands combined, but within the last 10 years dropped THX not because it could no longer meet THX requirements, but because the licensing became too expensive, and it held less and less importance to Pioneer's user base.

THX is really merely a stamp of approval that yes, Brand X can perform as they think best under specific conditions. It's not an industry standard.

One last note: THX settings are not compatible with Dirac. It's one or the other, BUT, you can modify Dirac crossover settings after you've run it to match those mandated by THX.
 
The additional wiring in the 805 for its balanced I/O, some might argue, could affect the the sound, was what I was getting at.

THX curves can be applied to any speaker. THX is not in itself a driver, or cabinet design, that all THX-certified products share, but rather that they meet specific THX performance and measurement results in specific environments (room sizes, screen sizes, etc.). There are probably way more speakers and amplifiers and displays that meet and exceed THX specifications that aren't THX-certified out there than are, but could easily be if the brand chose to pay for the testing and llogo. At one time, Pioneer had more THX-certified gear than all the other brands combined, but within the last 10 years dropped THX not because it could no longer meet THX requirements, but because the licensing became too expensive, and it held less and less importance to Pioneer's user base.

THX is really merely a stamp of approval that yes, Brand X can perform as they think best under specific conditions. It's not an industry standard.

One last note: THX settings are not compatible with Dirac. It's one or the other, BUT, you can modify Dirac crossover settings after you've run it to match those mandated by THX.
 
Apologies for the duplicate replies.
 
I know from my father, who works in the TV, that balanced cables are only used for longer distancies, and there is no sound difference for same lenght up do 2-3 metres, even more.
My thoughts: I Onkyo RZ70 has THX regimes, how would it sound better if the speakers are not THX certified, probably it will be illusional, I guess. But if speakers are THX certified, it would matters then.
Balanced interconnects are also helpful in eliminating ground loops.
 
The additional wiring in the 805 for its balanced I/O, some might argue, could affect the the sound, was what I was getting at.

THX curves can be applied to any speaker. THX is not in itself a driver, or cabinet design, that all THX-certified products share, but rather that they meet specific THX performance and measurement results in specific environments (room sizes, screen sizes, etc.). There are probably way more speakers and amplifiers and displays that meet and exceed THX specifications that aren't THX-certified out there than are, but could easily be if the brand chose to pay for the testing and llogo. At one time, Pioneer had more THX-certified gear than all the other brands combined, but within the last 10 years dropped THX not because it could no longer meet THX requirements, but because the licensing became too expensive, and it held less and less importance to Pioneer's user base.

THX is really merely a stamp of approval that yes, Brand X can perform as they think best under specific conditions. It's not an industry standard.

One last note: THX settings are not compatible with Dirac. It's one or the other, BUT, you can modify Dirac crossover settings after you've run it to match those mandated by THX.
Woooow, I didn't know that!! I don't know what is happening to Pioneer recently, I remember, back in the time ONkyo had severe issues with AVR's. All friends with Onkyo had problems, either some noice, either electrical issue.
So far Pioneer does not have the certificate for THX , but this does not mean that it cant perform it. Nowadays is a big issue this certificates of the products .
Same as projectors for EU citizens - they have google app inside, and Google, ban somehow the certificate of the better image ot the projector setting... Chinese version of the Projector is without Google app , but better image( but chinese language)

So I clearly do not need THX if cant be used in Dirac, it is pointless and i doubt it can be better than Dirac at my home, full of tables, sofas, chairs and plants...
 
Woooow, I didn't know that!! I don't know what is happening to Pioneer recently, I remember, back in the time ONkyo had severe issues with AVR's. All friends with Onkyo had problems, either some noice, either electrical issue.
So far Pioneer does not have the certificate for THX , but this does not mean that it cant perform it. Nowadays is a big issue this certificates of the products .
Same as projectors for EU citizens - they have google app inside, and Google, ban somehow the certificate of the better image ot the projector setting... Chinese version of the Projector is without Google app , but better image( but chinese language)

So I clearly do not need THX if cant be used in Dirac, it is pointless and i doubt it can be better than Dirac at my home, full of tables, sofas, chairs and plants...
THX is a body of recommended performance, placement and room design/treatments, such as "can this speaker and amplifier produce this SPL to the listening position(s) within a given range of frequencies and distortion levels on demand consistently?" and so on. That's not a THX quote, FYI, that's my oversimplified summary. Screens and projectors have their own criteria. One can (and should) use software tools to find dead spots, reverb spots, etc., to work off of when designing THX rooms. If you're really interested, THX has classes they offer periodically around the world.

You can achieve superb results with THX, provided you know what you're doing, and have the time and budget to design and build a proper room/system, and very much a physical hardware/room treatment response approach. Dirac is entirely software based, and can accomplish wonders in rooms where absorbers, diffusers, and traps are too expensive or not appropriate to deal with echoes, standing waves, dead zones, boomy bass, and so on, and seating positions are far from ideal. However, some people have complained about how any software EQ approach can alter the openness and depth of recordings in a negative way. It's still almost always better than no room correction, but just keep that in mind. You may say to yourself after a Dirac calibration "The bass and treble and midrange are now very clean and tight, but something seems lacking nonetheless. Like the presentation is more compressed or shallow."

We didn't try to be the perfect solution with either Dirac or THX; we just wanted to ensure end users had the best tools built in to get better than average results and not break the bank in the process.
 
Having Dirac Live Full Bandwidth included in the box is a huge deal. As of this writing, I don't know of anyone doing that, and it seems exceedingly unlikely it will continue in Onkyo/Integra products going forward after 2026 (future Pioneer-branded AVRs being effectively non-starters).
I hope not....

I am waiting and holding on to see what PAC announces come January - if they don't get their act together with regards to Dirac ART, I will jump ship to Denon.... which would be sad.

Currently the Onkyo/Integra/Pioneer AVR's are fabulous value, with performance matching and exceeding their competitors in their price brackets.

I chose to go with their product even after some years of disappointment with Onkyo/Integra (hardware failures... manufacturing problems) - primarily due to the inclusion of Dirac.

Adding Dirac-ART to the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 capabilities, would lead to my purchasing one.

Absence of ART within the range, will inevitably lead to my leaving the fold.
 
I hope not....

I am waiting and holding on to see what PAC announces come January - if they don't get their act together with regards to Dirac ART, I will jump ship to Denon.... which would be sad.

Currently the Onkyo/Integra/Pioneer AVR's are fabulous value, with performance matching and exceeding their competitors in their price brackets.

I chose to go with their product even after some years of disappointment with Onkyo/Integra (hardware failures... manufacturing problems) - primarily due to the inclusion of Dirac.

Adding Dirac-ART to the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 capabilities, would lead to my purchasing one.

Absence of ART within the range, will inevitably lead to my leaving the fold.
I am extremely skeptical that Dirac ART will be added, due to strong antipathy at Onkyo for that technology, and PAC goes where Onkyo steers.
 
Hello dear colleagues in that thread! I minght need you help, because I might need to change to an AVR with Dirac. I am using 5.1 setup. May be Atmos in future. Curent AVR that I have is Denon AVR X3600h, but it does not have Dirac.

So my question is, do I need to buy new AVR and which one to be?

Pioneer LX805 or Onkyo TX-RZ70, they are so simiar, and this makes me kind a confused..

I love to watch movies and also I love to listen to music. I have like 800 CD's

Your help is very well apreciated!
If your X3600 is adequate to handle your room and speakers, then the X3800 would do fine...

The RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 are a substantial step up in raw amplifier performance and closer to the Denon A1H flagship model (yes that makes them great value) - but unlikely to receive Dirac ART.

The X3800 is what I have on my shopping shortlist to enable my move to Dirac ART - which I would deploy along with my external power amps... so I am not overly concerned about the internal power amps.

However my preferred option would be for PAC to support ART on the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805, and then I could simplify my setup and retire my external power amps, as the internal amps in those models would handle the job... (I am currently on an Integra DRX3.4 - equivalent to Onkyo RZ30/NR7100, Pioneer LX305)
 
If your X3600 is adequate to handle your room and speakers, then the X3800 would do fine...

The RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 are a substantial step up in raw amplifier performance and closer to the Denon A1H flagship model (yes that makes them great value) - but unlikely to receive Dirac ART.

The X3800 is what I have on my shopping shortlist to enable my move to Dirac ART - which I would deploy along with my external power amps... so I am not overly concerned about the internal power amps.

However my preferred option would be for PAC to support ART on the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805, and then I could simplify my setup and retire my external power amps, as the internal amps in those models would handle the job... (I am currently on an Integra DRX3.4 - equivalent to Onkyo RZ30/NR7100, Pioneer LX305)
Truee, so either LX805 without ART, but with enough power in it. Either X3800h and some AMP.
THX is a body of recommended performance, placement and room design/treatments, such as "can this speaker and amplifier produce this SPL to the listening position(s) within a given range of frequencies and distortion levels on demand consistently?" and so on. That's not a THX quote, FYI, that's my oversimplified summary. Screens and projectors have their own criteria. One can (and should) use software tools to find dead spots, reverb spots, etc., to work off of when designing THX rooms. If you're really interested, THX has classes they offer periodically around the world.

You can achieve superb results with THX, provided you know what you're doing, and have the time and budget to design and build a proper room/system, and very much a physical hardware/room treatment response approach. Dirac is entirely software based, and can accomplish wonders in rooms where absorbers, diffusers, and traps are too expensive or not appropriate to deal with echoes, standing waves, dead zones, boomy bass, and so on, and seating positions are far from ideal. However, some people have complained about how any software EQ approach can alter the openness and depth of recordings in a negative way. It's still almost always better than no room correction, but just keep that in mind. You may say to yourself after a Dirac calibration "The bass and treble and midrange are now very clean and tight, but something seems lacking nonetheless. Like the presentation is more compressed or shallow."

We didn't try to be the perfect solution with either Dirac or THX; we just wanted to ensure end users had the best tools built in to get better than average results and not break the bank in the process.
I wish I can have money to build that THX system, but my budget is small like the thiny pocket of the jeans :D...
Is there any chance that A1 EVO Express calibration might be better than Dirac one?
 
I wish I can have money to build that THX system, but my budget is small like the thiny pocket of the jeans :D...
Is there any chance that A1 EVO Express calibration might be better than Dirac one?
A1 EVO express vs DL, (DL-RC) or DLBC maybe yes... they do more or less the same thing, tuning variations, and interface variations can lead to varying outcomes...

They do the same things, but use different user interfaces and decision algorythms to get there.

DL-ART is different, and does something altogether different - there are things it can achieve that A1EVO and/or DL cannot do.
DL-ART does electronically, through using multiple speakers, something that otherwise can only be achieved through extensive room treatment, or architectural design/building work.

People who have such fully designed and treated rooms, are sometimes reporting minimal (or no) improvements with the use of Dirac ART.... which makes sense.

ART is layered on top of DL, so you still get the EQ capabilities as part of the overall package, but fundamentally it does something completely new, different, and therefore cannot be directly compared.

A1 EVO Express is a different interface into Audyssey XT32... so if using an XT32 AVR (Denon & Marantz) - it is an excellent alternative to Dirac Live and potentially Dirac Live Bass Control as well....

If you want to look into what ART can achieve, then A1 Evo Express is not an option - you have to go down the Dirac family path, and effectively you need to purchase the entire suite - adding a substantial cost impost on the lower ranks of AVR's (X3800, X3600) or a marginal impost at the premium/flagship end of the market.
 
A1 EVO express vs DL, (DL-RC) or DLBC maybe yes... they do more or less the same thing, tuning variations, and interface variations can lead to varying outcomes...

They do the same things, but use different user interfaces and decision algorythms to get there.

DL-ART is different, and does something altogether different - there are things it can achieve that A1EVO and/or DL cannot do.
DL-ART does electronically, through using multiple speakers, something that otherwise can only be achieved through extensive room treatment, or architectural design/building work.

People who have such fully designed and treated rooms, are sometimes reporting minimal (or no) improvements with the use of Dirac ART.... which makes sense.

ART is layered on top of DL, so you still get the EQ capabilities as part of the overall package, but fundamentally it does something completely new, different, and therefore cannot be directly compared.

A1 EVO Express is a different interface into Audyssey XT32... so if using an XT32 AVR (Denon & Marantz) - it is an excellent alternative to Dirac Live and potentially Dirac Live Bass Control as well....

If you want to look into what ART can achieve, then A1 Evo Express is not an option - you have to go down the Dirac family path, and effectively you need to purchase the entire suite - adding a substantial cost impost on the lower ranks of AVR's (X3800, X3600) or a marginal impost at the premium/flagship end of the market.
Thank You, so in the end I have to choose X3800h with full Dirac ( i have to pay) + ART, or Pioneer LX805 ( pay only DLBC) and no ART in it, but more powerful..

This is very very hard choice!!! And which is the right decision ?
 
Thank You, so in the end I have to choose X3800h with full Dirac ( i have to pay) + ART, or Pioneer LX805 ( pay only DLBC) and no ART in it, but more powerful..

This is very very hard choice!!! And which is the right decision ?
I have just put my Integra up for sale, and purchased a Denon, as well as the Dirac Suite including ART...

So I have made my decision.

I would very much have preferred an RZ70, DRX 8.4 or LX805, enabled for ART... but the prognostications (that might have made me wait longer) were mostly negative.... so I am leaving the PAC fold.
 
I have just put my Integra up for sale, and purchased a Denon, as well as the Dirac Suite including ART...

So I have made my decision.

I would very much have preferred an RZ70, DRX 8.4 or LX805, enabled for ART... but the prognostications (that might have made me wait longer) were mostly negative.... so I am leaving the PAC fold.
On the one hand, I'm sorry, but on the other hand if I hadn't been let go, ART would absolutely have been part of the mix, so...
 
I have just put my Integra up for sale, and purchased a Denon, as well as the Dirac Suite including ART...

So I have made my decision.

I would very much have preferred an RZ70, DRX 8.4 or LX805, enabled for ART... but the prognostications (that might have made me wait longer) were mostly negative.... so I am leaving the PAC fold.
Congratulations!!!I believe you ordered the x4800h? How much did you paid?Are you afraid that the power of the AVR will not be enough for your needs? Or you are using amp/processor? Did you also bought the Dirac fulll set?
 
Congratulations!!!I believe you ordered the x4800h? How much did you paid?Are you afraid that the power of the AVR will not be enough for your needs? Or you are using amp/processor? Did you also bought the Dirac fulll set?
Yes the X4800h, for AU$3000 (MSRP here is AU$4300), and I have purchased the full Dirac Bundle with ART.

Yes I am concerned about the amps capabilities, not in terms of power, my Gallo Nucleus Ref 3.2 fronts, go down to 1.6 ohm on the tweeter along with a capacitive response - so low impedance and high phase angles...

Typically amps that can handle 1ohm or 2ohm speakers do OK with them - my Integra DRX3.4 didn't do ok! - so I used external amps.

The problem is that many amps get unstable into such difficult loads and their distortion climbs noticeably !!

My Quad 606 & 707 amps or my Crown XLS2500 handle the speakers just fine - and with the existing Integra DRX3.4, the AVR handles the surrounds and heights without any issues (they are far more standard, relatively benign loads) - so my current setup is already "Hybrid".

I will test things to see how the X4800 handles my Gallo speaker - if it does a good job, I may retire my power amps - but I do not have high expectations.

My previous Onkyo SR876 and Integra DTR70.4 AVR's could handle those speakers - but both were very "muscular" AVR's - much like the LX805/RZ70/DRX8.4.... which in the Denon hierarchy would be around the A10h level... I don't expect that kind of capability from the X4800h.... but you never know, one lives in hope!
 
Yes the X4800h, for AU$3000 (MSRP here is AU$4300), and I have purchased the full Dirac Bundle with ART.

Yes I am concerned about the amps capabilities, not in terms of power, my Gallo Nucleus Ref 3.2 fronts, go down to 1.6 ohm on the tweeter along with a capacitive response - so low impedance and high phase angles...

Typically amps that can handle 1ohm or 2ohm speakers do OK with them - my Integra DRX3.4 didn't do ok! - so I used external amps.

The problem is that many amps get unstable into such difficult loads and their distortion climbs noticeably !!

My Quad 606 & 707 amps or my Crown XLS2500 handle the speakers just fine - and with the existing Integra DRX3.4, the AVR handles the surrounds and heights without any issues (they are far more standard, relatively benign loads) - so my current setup is already "Hybrid".

I will test things to see how the X4800 handles my Gallo speaker - if it does a good job, I may retire my power amps - but I do not have high expectations.

My previous Onkyo SR876 and Integra DTR70.4 AVR's could handle those speakers - but both were very "muscular" AVR's - much like the LX805/RZ70/DRX8.4.... which in the Denon hierarchy would be around the A10h level... I don't expect that kind of capability from the X4800h.... but you never know, one lives in hope!
IS it possible with Dirac settings, somehow to lower theh high peak in movies of the speakers , and to make the power enough? The price you bought it, sounds very good!
 
IS it possible with Dirac settings, somehow to lower theh high peak in movies of the speakers , and to make the power enough? The price you bought it, sounds very good!
The raw power is plenty - at normal listening levels I use no more than 3W continuous (occasionally might get to 4W!) and peak has never gone as high as 16W - the power amp has peak reading LED's at 4W and 16W - the 4W one is almost always flickering and the 16W one I have only seen flicker when getting completely ear splittingly loud - I would ever use my setup that loud!

I typically listen at 72db SPL at the listening position

The issue with speakers like mine is that the feedback loops in many amps get unstabled with the low impedance and high phase angles - which then unleashes distortion, muddling the midrange, confusing the imaging and making dialogue hard to understand....

Switching to my Quad 606 power amp, which at 135W@8ohm is not exactly a "powerhouse" - totally clears up the issue - it is according to its spec "unconditionally stable into any load".

So really it is not about power, but about stability into low impedance high phase angle loads.

If I swap in my B&O Penta's as my mains the AVR handles them just fine with no issues at all - they are a much easier, more benign 8ohm load with no high phase angles! they have the same 86db SPL/wm efficiency so use roughly the same amount of power.
 
The raw power is plenty - at normal listening levels I use no more than 3W continuous (occasionally might get to 4W!) and peak has never gone as high as 16W - the power amp has peak reading LED's at 4W and 16W - the 4W one is almost always flickering and the 16W one I have only seen flicker when getting completely ear splittingly loud - I would ever use my setup that loud!

I typically listen at 72db SPL at the listening position

The issue with speakers like mine is that the feedback loops in many amps get unstabled with the low impedance and high phase angles - which then unleashes distortion, muddling the midrange, confusing the imaging and making dialogue hard to understand....

Switching to my Quad 606 power amp, which at 135W@8ohm is not exactly a "powerhouse" - totally clears up the issue - it is according to its spec "unconditionally stable into any load".

So really it is not about power, but about stability into low impedance high phase angle loads.

If I swap in my B&O Penta's as my mains the AVR handles them just fine with no issues at all - they are a much easier, more benign 8ohm load with no high phase angles! they have the same 86db SPL/wm efficiency so use roughly the same amount of power.
Try the Penta, they are quite tall, so they migh work very well with the Dirac. At my Home I have 65 inch TV and it is at 1.60m height from the ground to the cennter of the TV. While watching movies, there is a huge gap in the scene, I can hear the sound comming from bellow. What if you put two class D amps for your FRonts?
 
Try the Penta, they are quite tall, so they migh work very well with the Dirac. At my Home I have 65 inch TV and it is at 1.60m height from the ground to the cennter of the TV. While watching movies, there is a huge gap in the scene, I can hear the sound comming from bellow. What if you put two class D amps for your FRonts?
My current setup uses an Integra DRX3.4, and two Crown XLS2500 class D amps driving the front L/C/R (spec is 440W@8ohm/1200W@2ohm)

I prefer the sound of my Gallo Nucelus Ref 3.2's to that of the Penta - the wide dispersion, means the whole room is covered... the Penta, has a narrower dispersion (and especially vertically) - but it works wonderfully well in surround position!
 
My current setup uses an Integra DRX3.4, and two Crown XLS2500 class D amps driving the front L/C/R (spec is 440W@8ohm/1200W@2ohm)

I prefer the sound of my Gallo Nucelus Ref 3.2's to that of the Penta - the wide dispersion, means the whole room is covered... the Penta, has a narrower dispersion (and especially vertically) - but it works wonderfully well in surround position!
Hello, did You recieve the new one?
 
Hello, did You recieve the new one?
Received, yes, have not had time (and home to myself!) to be able to set it up yet...

When I do, I also want some auditioning time to myself to compare the X4800 standalone vs the X4800 + the Crowns - I think slotting in the X4800 to replace my DRX3.4 is going to get the best results - but the X4800 in theory has better amps, so for all my scepticism, I should give them a go. (I really would have preferred a robust AVR that can handle my fronts... but price was a killer - I would be looking at the Denon A1 or A10... the price is much much higher - if PAC pulled the finger out and released ART support for the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 I would have preferred to go down that path.... but ran out of patience...
 
Received, yes, have not had time (and home to myself!) to be able to set it up yet...

When I do, I also want some auditioning time to myself to compare the X4800 standalone vs the X4800 + the Crowns - I think slotting in the X4800 to replace my DRX3.4 is going to get the best results - but the X4800 in theory has better amps, so for all my scepticism, I should give them a go. (I really would have preferred a robust AVR that can handle my fronts... but price was a killer - I would be looking at the Denon A1 or A10... the price is much much higher - if PAC pulled the finger out and released ART support for the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 I would have preferred to go down that path.... but ran out of patience...In terms of better anos, I think that the pioneer is better than RZ70, but no ARt support is making is no go for that moment. I hope that x4800 is a clever choise! Write here, when you have audition it

Received, yes, have not had time (and home to myself!) to be able to set it up yet...

When I do, I also want some auditioning time to myself to compare the X4800 standalone vs the X4800 + the Crowns - I think slotting in the X4800 to replace my DRX3.4 is going to get the best results - but the X4800 in theory has better amps, so for all my scepticism, I should give them a go. (I really would have preferred a robust AVR that can handle my fronts... but price was a killer - I would be looking at the Denon A1 or A10... the price is much much higher - if PAC pulled the finger out and released ART support for the RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 I would have preferred to go down that path.... but ran out of patience...
I think that the pioneer is better than RZ70, but no ART support is making is no go for that moment. I hope that x4800 is a clever choise! Write here, when you have audition it and if you like it or not😜 Good luck!
 
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