Manufacturer & Model
Pioneer Elite VSX-LX805 11.2 AV Receiver
MSRP
$2,999
Link
https://fave.co/4eVYGI6
Highlights
High-performance 11.2-channel capability; 150 Watts per channel; fully compatible with 8K/60Hz and 4K/120Hz video requirements; full-bandwidth Dirac Live room correction; Atmos, DTS:X, and Auro-3D onboard; dual independent subwoofer channels; Roon Ready and Works with Sonos; loads of connectivity options; excellent sound quality for movies and music at reference volume levels.
Summary
The Pioneer Elite LX805 is the flagship model in the Elite lineup, priced at $2,999. Packed with advanced technologies, the LX805 is a powerhouse for large home theater setups (up to 7.2.4 channels) or premium family room entertainment. Its robust Class A/B amplifier delivers 150 Watts per channel, complemented by dual independent subwoofer channels for precise bass management. Audio enhancements include full-bandwidth Dirac Live room correction with an optional Bass Control module, Roon Ready certification, and seamless integration with Sonos. On the video front, the LX805 supports all modern 4K and 8K requirements, including HDMI 2.1 compatibility. With its refined design, powerful performance, and flexibility, the Elite LX805 offers exceptional value for enthusiasts.
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Today, we’re dipping our toes in the waters of Elite’s top-end VSX-LX805 AV receiver (MSRP $2,999) with an in-depth review, dissecting its build quality, performance characteristics, specialties, and – yes – a few warts. Much like Integra-branded receivers released in 2023, the LX805 was conceptualized by US-based design leads who were particularly tuned into the wants and needs of enthusiasts and custom integrators. They listened to those communities and pushed hard internally to ensure the LX805 and its mates hit the street with appeal and technical pizzazz.

The LX805 wasn’t originally intended to slot as Elite’s top model. That role belonged to another design that never made it to production. You wouldn’t know it, though, because this receiver proudly flexes plenty of flagship-level muscle. Take its four subwoofer outputs, for instance. Unlike many receivers, these are split into two independent channels, allowing for precise tuning and time alignment for truly flexible subwoofer placement. Pair that with its dual calibration options – Dirac Live with Bass Control and MCACC Pro – and you have a system that caters to advanced users as well as those seeking a simpler setup. Of course, there are many other tech features and physical elements… so let’s dive in.


Physical Look and Feel
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Last year, we uploaded an unboxing video of the LX805, so if you’d like to hit pause and watch this beauty rise from its packaging, you can do so here. If you’re impatient and prefer to keep reading, know that the receiver arrives in grand fashion. My sample shipped triple-boxed in packaging designed from the ground up. The main box, adorned with striking graphics emphasizing the receiver’s advanced technology, contained a gloss-black Elite-branded accessories container—a fun nod to the brand’s iconic heritage – and the receiver, masterfully cocooned in custom styrofoam and protective wrap.

If you're a buyer who appreciates high-quality packaging, you'll be pleased.

The LX805 weighs nearly 50 lbs, making it hefty to lift. While it didn’t give me issues, you may want to recruit a friend for removal and placement. It’s also a sizeable piece of gear, standing at 7.3” tall and reaching 18.4” in depth. Be sure to read the measurement specs, add some extra space to account for any cables you plan to insert into the back, and confirm that the receiver will fit in your allotted space.

Much of the LX805’s weight comes from its Class A/B power section, which delivers 150W of power across 11 channels. That’s ten more watts per channel than Onkyo’s RZ70 and more than enough muscle to drive most tower and bookshelf speakers. Under the cover, the receiver’s internals drip with quality and organization. One feature you’ll immediately notice is four fanned heat sinks positioned on either side of the reference power transformer. These sinks are custom-molded and exclusive to some Elite and Integra models. For those of you wanting evidence of brand identity, Integra's sinks feature a sleek silver finish, while Elite's showcase a bold and striking black. While trivial, that kind of attention to detail is sure to appeal to hardcore fans of the brand.

To help with cooling, the LX805 has two oversized fans seated directly under its heat sinks. Fans, you say? Can't they get noisy? Yes, fans can, but it just so happens that the LX805's operate whisper-quiet, so there’s no need to worry about added noise.

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With all that amplifier power and attention to airflow, you might wonder how warm the receiver gets during extended heavy use. To test, I placed a full-sized Trinnov processor on top of the LX805, pushed the receiver hard for several hours, and then took measurements. I found external surface temperatures of 102°F (top) and 82°F to 90°F (various areas on the front, back, bottom, and sides). So, things can get quite warm, but I found nothing concerning here. Do make sure you give the receiver room to breathe, though – I wouldn't suggest locking it away in a closed cabinet.

Physically speaking, the LX805 is a head-turner, sporting features like a throwback orange LED display, smooth lines along the edge of its body, and tight radiuses on its corners. You’ll also find a brushed metal faceplate, large machined knobs that turn with a weighted feel, and a soft-touch drop-down panel capped in brushed metal. Truth be told, this receiver aligns perfectly with my aesthetic preferences, offering a forward-facing appearance that’s refreshingly classy.

Unfortunately, physical feel goods don't extend to every aspect of the LX805. Looking closely, you’ll find areas where cost cuts were made. For example, the included backlit remote carries a faux brushed metal face and feels plasticky and cheap in the hands. The receiver’s feet are also molded plastic, though they nearly fooled me; I had to remove a foot to confirm its material makeup. While neither of these is a deal breaker, I was shocked to find standard black and red speaker posts mounted on the backside. Given the LX805’s flagship status, I’d expect something of higher quality.


Distinctive Features
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Before we talk setup, let’s highlight some of the LX805’s more unique features that audiophiles may find appealing. To start, the receiver offers Elite's exclusive Precision Quartz for File-based Audio or PQFA. PQFA is used when media is sourced via network, USB, and Bluetooth. It stabilizes the clock signal during digital audio playback, purportedly reducing invasive jitter. This feature isn't found on Onkyo or Integra receivers.

The LX805’s AV Direct Mode also improves sound quality by limiting digital circuit activity associated with network, Bluetooth, and USB inputs. This can be engaged when listeners source audio from external devices connected to the LX805 via analog and digital inputs. In a similar vein, the receiver also has an HDMI Audio Exclusive Mode that shuts off the video side of the receiver’s HDMI Input 1 jack, eliminating another potential source of noise to the audio signals incoming through HDMI connections.

The Elite also carries two notable industry certifications that cater to audio functions. The first is Works With Sonos, which means the LX805 can integrate with an existing whole-home or single-speaker Sonos system. Essentially, the receiver can be added to and controlled through the Sonos app. So, the need to fidget with multiple apps is eliminated, and owners can make track selections and control volume levels all within Sonos' app architecture.

The other certification is Roon Ready, which means the receiver integrates seamlessly with Roon using the Roon Advanced Audio Transport (RAAT) protocol. This allows for bit-perfect playback, high-resolution audio support, multi-room synchronization, and complete control through the Roon app. Don't confuse Roon Ready with Roon Tested, which applies to devices verified to work with Roon but typically rely on alternative playback protocols like AirPlay or Chromecast – the LX805 gives you access to the good stuff.

Set-Up
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The LX805 marks a new chapter in graphical user interface design for Elite products, introducing a clean and user-friendly layout. It looks great and doesn't take much effort to navigate. First-time users, particularly those new to AVRs, will appreciate the intuitive onscreen instructions that guide you through essential setup tasks, like connecting to WiFi and configuring a room’s speaker arrangement, and some of the minutiae like hooking up HDMI eARC and performing a sound check to ensure speakers are properly connected to the correct terminals—the latter of which caught a mistake I made as I wired a 7.2.4 speaker array. Yes, even seasoned pros can cross their wires!

For me, the Elite had Wi-Fi set up and running in about 40 seconds, aided by integration with my iPhone. Of course, we've all experienced maddening problems with Wi-Fi, and the LX805 has tools to ease the pain. Within the menu system, you'll find a built-in network connection check that verifies MAC and IP addresses, performs a gateway ping, and runs an internet service test— all handy tools that are lightning-fast in response times.

Owners have two calibration systems at their disposal to fine-tune audio performance: Pioneer’s proprietary MCACC Pro and the highly regarded Dirac Live. Both can be used with the microphone included with the LX805. However, if you want to extract the absolute best from Dirac Live, consider investing in a miniDSP UMIK-1 microphone and running the calibration on a PC or Mac. For this review, I tested both MCACC and Dirac Live, along with Dirac's optional Bass Control module, using the included mic and free Pioneer Remote app (iOS, Android) to get that "out-of-the-box" user experience.

MCACC is definitively the weaker of the two calibration options, making it best suited for a quick set-up focused on basic tasks like setting speaker distances and channel levels. Pre and post-MCACC measurements revealed that the software actually degraded my system’s overall response. Bass frequencies were left virtually untouched, while frequencies above 200 Hz exhibited less flatness after correction. On the channel leveling front, MCACC managed to align the front left, right, and center channels within half a decibel of each other but struggled with the remaining channels, many of which were off by two to three decibels from reference.

My advice: skip MCACC and proceed directly to Dirac.

Dirac Live is a standout feature and a significant selling point of this receiver. Surprisingly, you can actually achieve impressive results with the included microphone and the free app, not to mention running Dirac with these tools is reasonably accessible to first-time users. If you're a true green-to-the-core newbie, you might need to ask for help on our forum. But I'm fairly confident that most will trial and error their way to good results.

Out of the box, Elite provides the full-bandwidth version of Dirac Live, which enables frequency corrections beyond 500Hz. For those looking to take things to the next level, Dirac Live Bass Control is available for an additional $299. It offers precise control and optimization of your subwoofers and is a recommended investment for serious enthusiasts.

Note, if you’re considering the LX805’s less expensive sibling, the LX505, Dirac Live Bass Control is not available as an add-on option.

As you can see in the images below, I crafted an aggressive house curve using the free Dirac tools available within the app. For whatever reason, I had difficulty taming decibel levels in the 10 to 20Hz range, so if the receiver were staying in my rack, I'd use a calibrated microphone and a laptop to dial things in a bit better. That said, the core of my review profile delivered plenty of clean punch during demo sessions, so I was happy.

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One of Dirac’s advantages is its ability to correct the impulse response of the audio system. This addresses time-domain issues like phase and timing errors, resulting in a more cohesive and accurate soundstage. As reflected in my before-and-after Room EQ measurements, Dirac effectively tightened up the response, enhancing clarity and coherence.

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A notable limitation of the LX805 is its ability to save only three Dirac profiles derived from a single set of measurements. In addition, you can’t store both MCACC and Dirac profiles simultaneously, which is something I'd consider to be an "enthusiast inconvenience." Receivers capable of storing a broader range of profiles typically cost thousands more, so I wouldn’t brand this as a major drawback – most owners probably won't care.


Performance
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So far, so good. Right? From unboxing to handling the receiver and running set-up procedures, the LX805 had practically won me over. It’s a device that strikes a perfect balance – offering enough complexity and advanced features to satisfy seasoned home theater enthusiasts while remaining approachable and intuitive for newcomers or those less tech-savvy. While I found a few spots in the menu system and user manual that could benefit from more detail, Elite’s design team truly knocked it out of the park from a usability standpoint.

That brings us to playback, where I'd like to begin by discussing an unsightly wart: the LX805’s built-in Bluetooth Transmitter. I have to admit, seeing "Bluetooth Transmitter" listed in the specs kicked my expectations into overdrive, leading me to assume I'd experience a process that was easy and reliable for both movies and music. I was expecting a lot, and in my case, those expectations were well off the mark.

The most significant issue was getting the LX805 to recognize my earbuds, which included Atlantic Technology’s TSW-1 and Bowers & Wilkins Pi8. The receiver became stuck in pairing mode during several attempts, effectively freezing and becoming unresponsive. The only remedy was to power down the unit, restart it, and try again.

Following one successful pairing attempt, I tried sourcing tunes through Spotify Connect. Activating Spotify instantly disconnected my earbuds, sending me back to the frustrating cycle of pairing. To make things worse, my system also lost all audio output capabilities after the buds went dark. To get everything working again, I had to power down the receiver, restart it, and then cycle between inputs before the speakers would play any sound.

It became complexly frustrating and not something I'd want those less technically inclined to troubleshoot.

Did I ultimately get the transmitter to work? At times, yes... with music, but I was never able to reliably stream movie audio. Any audio linked to video content was laggy and full of connection issues. So, from my experience, the Bluetooth Transmitter is a feature worth ignoring.

The rest of my time test-driving the LX805 was pure fun. For this review, the receiver drove a range of GoldenEar Technology speakers (Triton One.R mains, Triton Reference Center, Invisa in-walls for surround and rear) along with SVS Elevation height speakers and dual SVS SB16 Ultra subs. Sources included Apple TV 4K, Kaleidescape, and a Panasonic UB9000 universal disc player.

Movie content with the LX805 was exceptional, offering a deeply immersive audio experience. Lone Survivor (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) has become one of my demo films, and upmixing its audio track using the receiver's built-in Auro-3D Auromatic engine produced fantastic results. I focused on two standout scenes:

The first begins with actor Alexander Ludwig reciting the Frogman’s Ballad as helicopters arrive to pick up Navy SEALs and transport them into the mountains. This scene is packed with dynamic energy, and it really highlighted the correction capabilities of Dirac Live and Bass Control as compared to MCACC. While MCACC testing produced a serviceable audio experience, Dirac Live took it to another level, expanding the soundstage beyond the room’s boundaries and sharpening the center image with notable precision. Bass during this scene is widely varied, and the LX805 conducted a low-end presentation that was nuanced and impactful, seamlessly integrating into the mix.

The second scene, the opening moments of the battle in the mountains, reinforced the LX805’s ability to recreate incredible atmospherics. The speakers handled reference-level playback effortlessly, producing crystal-clear audio that filled the room with power and detail.

Next up was Devotion in 4K with Dolby Atmos. The final battle scene and subsequent plane crash are loaded with immersive activity, and the LX805 brought the scene to life. Sound pans were precise with pinpoint accuracy, and the film's action sequences filled the front soundstage with thunderous audio. Even the quiet, more subtle moments—like the whispers of wind or soft dialogue—were impressive. And let's not forget about the bass, which was exceptionally well-managed: impactful without feeling bloated, blending seamlessly with the rest of the sound.

I usually avoid reading other reviews before evaluating equipment, but a forum member pointed me toward one write-up that claimed the LX805 tended to render dialogue as flat. To investigate, I played one of the films mentioned in that review – Interstellar (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) – and found nothing objectionable. Dialogue clarity and texture sounded perfectly fine on my system.

To dig deeper, I turned to Pulp Fiction (4K, DTS-HD MA 5.1) and its iconic Jackrabbit Slim’s twist contest. From Vincent Vega chatting with Mia Wallace through her home's intercom system to conversation in the lively ambiance of the restaurant, dialogue came through rich and engaging. I couldn’t detect any issues here, either.

I suspect – but am not 100% sure – that any dialog complaints may have stemmed from differences in room correction and how it’s been applied. So, take that for what it's worth.

One limitation worth noting—and one that some potential owners might be curious about—is the playback and upmixing restrictions for Dolby-encoded content. With Dolby, you’re limited to native playback or Dolby modes, such as Dolby Surround or Dolby Atmos. In contrast, DTS-encoded content, including DTS-HD MA and DTS:X, is more flexible, allowing you to choose between Auro-3D or Dolby mixers.

I was pleasantly surprised to find in-depth onscreen audio and video details available by pressing the remote’s “Info” button. On the audio side, you can quickly identify how audio is being sourced, along with native codec, channel count, and resolution information. You can also see what, if any, processing is engaged, the output channel count, and what type of room correction is being used. Video details are equally impressive, showing source content resolution, frames per second, color depth, and high dynamic range information. I mention this because enthusiasts often want to confirm what kind of content is being sourced and how it’s being presented — the LX805 delivers on all fronts.

For stereo testing, I reached for John Bellion's The Human Condition, Norah Jones' Come Away With Me, Pink Floyd’s remastered Dark Side of the Moon, and a collection of favorite tracks ranging from bass-heavy electronica to the subtleties of ambient pieces like those from Aphex Twin. These reference tracks cemented my opinion of the LX805’s overarching competency with both 2-channel and multi-channel audio, with a positive nod toward Auro's Auromatic upmixing. It sounded great.

There were moments when music presentations appeared slightly crispy or subtly jagged on the higher end of frequencies. I switched between Dirac and native playback, and that trace signature remained, so I'm left to assume the LX805 has a taste of innate brightness to its sound. However, I'll be the first to admit that my observations may have been my ears and brain picking up on details that have always been present in some tracks. I certainly heard nothing cringeworthy, and the receiver is definitively built to sing boldly and proudly. In fact, the LX805 confidently pushed volumes to reference levels without running out of steam or succumbing to distortion.

This, folks, is one fine piece of equipment.

Conclusion
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What we have in the LX805 is an impressive package that’s sure to please. Its design is thoughtful, its construction is impressive, and its performance factors are on full display the second you plug it in.

You want muscle? The LX805 can flex and push your system hard. You want modern technologies? The LX805 carries high-level AV connectivity and plays nicely with every immersive audio format on the planet. You want tuned sound? The LX805 hands you Dirac Live Full Version out of the box with an option for Bass Control. You want individuality? As I detailed, the LX805 has some characteristics you’d be hard-pressed to find elsewhere.

Priced at $2,999, the Elite VSX-LX805 isn’t an inexpensive purchase. So here’s my recommendation: If your budget is loose and you’re ready to buy, pull the trigger and enjoy this fabulous receiver today. You won’t regret it. For those with a tight budget or if $2,999 is well out of your range, be patient and watch for sales. Just before the holidays, the LX805 could be found for as little as $1,499 online. At that price, there isn’t a receiver on the market that can compete with this flagship offering.


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Pioneer Elite VSX-LX805 Receiver Specifications
  • Channels: 7.2.4 (11 amplified)
    Power Output: 150 W x 11 (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08% THD, 2-channel driven, FTC)
    Amplifier Class: Class AB, all-new symmetric design
  • Audio Processing: Two precision 32-bit ESS ES9026PRO Hyperstream® audiophile DACs
  • HDMI Inputs/Outputs: 7 In / 3 Out (eARC)
  • HDMI Capabilities Across 6 Rear: 8K, 4K Ultra HD, HDMI 2.1, HDCP2.3, Dolby Vision, HDR10+
  • Control: Ethernet, RS232, IR
  • Audio Inputs: 7 x HDMI, 1 x XLR, 4 x RCA, 1 x RCA Phono, 3 x Optical, 2 x Coaxial
  • Audio Outputs: 15 x Preamp RCA, 2 x Preamp XLR, Zone 2 Stereo RCA, Zone 3 Stereo RCA
  • Room Correction: MCACC, Dirac Live Premium Version included, Dirac Live Bass Control Single/Multi-Sub available via user upgrade
  • Surround Modes: Dolby Atmos, Dolby Surround, DTS:X, Neural:X, IMAX Enhanced, Auro-3D (FW update June 2023)
  • Streaming Features: Roon Ready, Chromecast, AirPlay 2, Spotify, Amazon Music HD, Tidal, Deezer, Pandora, TuneIn, DTS Play-Fi
  • Dimensions (H x W x D): 7.3 x 17.1 x 18.4 inches
  • Weight: 47.4 pounds
  • Warranty: 3 years (parts and labor)

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Well I first joined the Onkyo family due to Audyssey back in my SR876 days... but the Audyssey quest was ultimately unsatisfying (including trying XT32 on the Integra DTR70.4)...

Seems like after they bought the Pioneer licence, MCACC was rebranded as AccuEQ on Onkyo/Integra...

In my current Integra DRX3.4 - AccuEQ does a decent job... but Dirac Live is immediately, audibly superior.

If they drop Dirac... I will, sadly, drop the brand(s) and move to the D&M camp.... my first surround pre was a Marantz unit back in the dim dark late 1980's... then I went Lexicon & Logic7 before trying Onkyo.

It has always been about the processing and the quality of that processing - if they drop that key item... they also drop a massive part of their value (to me... but clearly to many others in the marketplace).

Still waiting, holding out to see what PAC will do - and perhaps what Pioneer Japan (the home company) do now that they have the rights back "in house".... otherwise I will jump into the D&M camp. (and with D&M now under Harman / Samsung, there is little certainty there...)
Here's a little history for you, to give you better clarity of Onkyo's position on room correction:

Near the end, Pioneer's own MCACC had become increasingly versatile, especially in its Pro version. For example, at that time, it was the only room correction in an AVR that could pass through lossless audio while turned on, and had a whole slew of advanced features baked in (which no one ever bothered to use, but that's beside the point 😆). Even today, when Dirac or Trinnov announce a "new" update, occasionally they are ones MCACC Pro already had.

Meanwhile, Onkyo had come up with their own in-house interim AccuEQ, to replace Audyssey, which they had lost the rights to. However, that first generation of AccuEQ was a complete disaster, as we know.

When Pioneer's Home Entertainment Division was sold to Onkyo, there were mass layoffs at Onkyo Pioneer Corp., and (of course!) most of the truly legendary Pioneer and Onkyo engineers and software developers were forced out. That meant that Onkyo had an excuse to scale back further MCACC improvements, effectively dumbing it down from Pro and Advanced back down to plain ol' MCACC, and rebranding MCACC in Onkyo and Integra products as AccuEQ. They were all sharing a common platform, after all by 2016. Two terrible decisions that would haunt us.

When Dirac came along, we, as outside developers, knew very well how much traction it was gaining in the CI space, and fought tooth and nail to get it added to what eventually became the 2020/2021 models (the first AVRs in the industry to actually do HDMI 2.1 right, out of the box; again, not thanks to Onkyo who wasn't even able to test the boards until we bought and shipped over to them new test hardware).

But I digress.

Onkyo is always claiming "no resources", meaning no personnel, to duck extra work they don't want to do. Now that Onkyo no longer has us to shame Onkyo into doing what's necessary to remain competitive and relevant, Onkyo will, I am certain, drop Dirac, and go back to AccuEQ. As they own the patents to MCACC, they will probably continue down the path of least resistance, they won't have to reinvent the wheel, and will go back to producing mediocre-at-best products as they did for more than a few years prior to and after the Pioneer purchase.

I predict in a few years, we will see no more Dirac, no more Class D, no more Roon Ready, no more Work With Sonos, no more Advanced Web Setup, etc. All things they said couldn't be done and didn't want to do in the first place.
 
Well I first joined the Onkyo family due to Audyssey back in my SR876 days... but the Audyssey quest was ultimately unsatisfying (including trying XT32 on the Integra DTR70.4)...

Seems like after they bought the Pioneer licence, MCACC was rebranded as AccuEQ on Onkyo/Integra...

In my current Integra DRX3.4 - AccuEQ does a decent job... but Dirac Live is immediately, audibly superior.

If they drop Dirac... I will, sadly, drop the brand(s) and move to the D&M camp.... my first surround pre was a Marantz unit back in the dim dark late 1980's... then I went Lexicon & Logic7 before trying Onkyo.

It has always been about the processing and the quality of that processing - if they drop that key item... they also drop a massive part of their value (to me... but clearly to many others in the marketplace).

Still waiting, holding out to see what PAC will do - and perhaps what Pioneer Japan (the home company) do now that they have the rights back "in house".... otherwise I will jump into the D&M camp. (and with D&M now under Harman / Samsung, there is little certainty there...)
Same here no more PAC for me. Not stepping up with their current units like DM has with ART isn't a good thing. PAC/Gentex has ignored emails over this in order to keep sales up until their new units arrive.
 
Here's a little history for you, to give you better clarity of Onkyo's position on room correction:

Near the end, Pioneer's own MCACC had become increasingly versatile, especially in its Pro version. For example, at that time, it was the only room correction in an AVR that could pass through lossless audio while turned on, and had a whole slew of advanced features baked in (which no one ever bothered to use, but that's beside the point 😆). Even today, when Dirac or Trinnov announce a "new" update, occasionally they are ones MCACC Pro already had.

Meanwhile, Onkyo had come up with their own in-house interim AccuEQ, to replace Audyssey, which they had lost the rights to. However, that first generation of AccuEQ was a complete disaster, as we know.

When Pioneer's Home Entertainment Division was sold to Onkyo, there were mass layoffs at Onkyo Pioneer Corp., and (of course!) most of the truly legendary Pioneer and Onkyo engineers and software developers were forced out. That meant that Onkyo had an excuse to scale back further MCACC improvements, effectively dumbing it down from Pro and Advanced back down to plain ol' MCACC, and rebranding MCACC in Onkyo and Integra products as AccuEQ. They were all sharing a common platform, after all by 2016. Two terrible decisions that would haunt us.

When Dirac came along, we, as outside developers, knew very well how much traction it was gaining in the CI space, and fought tooth and nail to get it added to what eventually became the 2020/2021 models (the first AVRs in the industry to actually do HDMI 2.1 right, out of the box; again, not thanks to Onkyo who wasn't even able to test the boards until we bought and shipped over to them new test hardware).

But I digress.

Onkyo is always claiming "no resources", meaning no personnel, to duck extra work they don't want to do. Now that Onkyo no longer has us to shame Onkyo into doing what's necessary to remain competitive and relevant, Onkyo will, I am certain, drop Dirac, and go back to AccuEQ. As they own the patents to MCACC, they will probably continue down the path of least resistance, they won't have to reinvent the wheel, and will go back to producing mediocre-at-best products as they did for more than a few years prior to and after the Pioneer purchase.

I predict in a few years, we will see no more Dirac, no more Class D, no more Roon Ready, no more Work With Sonos, no more Advanced Web Setup, etc. All things they said couldn't be done and didn't want to do in the first place.
This raises a couple of questions....

1) Who owns the MCACC licence, now that Pioneer has taken their Bat & Ball and gone home? Does PAC still have the right to use the MCACC tech in future generations of AVR/AVP? (and if they don't, does that by default force them down the Dirac path at this stage?)

2) Onkyo / PAC management was problematic in the era leading up to and including the release of the current generation of gear... but, Voxx "purchased" Onkyo (via PAC) in 2021... at which time the current generation must have been well advanced in development...
Voxx has in turn been purchased by Gentex.
How much of the Onkyo management team is still there?
A refresh in management could lead to substantially different attitudes.... and the massive success of Dirac in the last 2 years (and more specifically Dirac ART) - is making its own sales/marketing point....

I'm still sitting tight, hoping for some watering on that very brown dry lawn on this side of the fence, and looking at the lush fields on the D&M side of the fence with jealousy... but my patience has not yet run out... still waiting for answers to the above questions and how this will pan out.... but the patience is not unlimited.
 
This raises a couple of questions....

1) Who owns the MCACC licence, now that Pioneer has taken their Bat & Ball and gone home? Does PAC still have the right to use the MCACC tech in future generations of AVR/AVP? (and if they don't, does that by default force them down the Dirac path at this stage?)

2) Onkyo / PAC management was problematic in the era leading up to and including the release of the current generation of gear... but, Voxx "purchased" Onkyo (via PAC) in 2021... at which time the current generation must have been well advanced in development...
Voxx has in turn been purchased by Gentex.
How much of the Onkyo management team is still there?
A refresh in management could lead to substantially different attitudes.... and the massive success of Dirac in the last 2 years (and more specifically Dirac ART) - is making its own sales/marketing point....

I'm still sitting tight, hoping for some watering on that very brown dry lawn on this side of the fence, and looking at the lush fields on the D&M side of the fence with jealousy... but my patience has not yet run out... still waiting for answers to the above questions and how this will pan out.... but the patience is not unlimited.
1 Onkyo purchased Pioneer's Home Entertainment Division, lock, stock and barrel, including all related patents. Pioneer Japan does not own any of those. All they own is the Pioneer name and logo. Full stop.

What that means is that Pioneer Japan can only dictate brand name and logo license terms. Onkyo Japan produced Pioneer-branded AVRs, and could only do so with Pioneer Japan's approval. Remove the name, and it's an Onkyo AVR. As stated in past posts, Onkyo chose to blend the Pioneer and Onkyo/Integra brands starting in 2016. Pioneer Japan could give a thumbs up or thumbs down based on how fat a royalty check they were promised by PAC/Voxx.

In 2021, Voxx partnered with Sharp to purchase Onkyo (mostly because Sharp controlled the factories Onkyo used to build Onkyo & Pioneer-branded gear). I was not privy to the details of that partnership, so I don't know who owns what in terms of patents. I suspect PAC/Voxx retained all patents, which ownership transfered to Gentex earlier this year when they bought Voxx and everything under the Voxx umbrella.

2. You have to understand that Gentex has zero experience in the home audio industry, so until they reach any conclusions of their own, Onkyo management---and PAC management---will remain intact. They will rely on what they are shown and told. Unless/until Voxx/PAC demonstrates that they are entirely incompetent in a way that jeopardizes profit growth...Gentex will leave things alone.

That being said, Gentex's rationale for purchasing Voxx remains fuzzy to me, Voxx's own car-audio relations aside. Gentex may have no intentions of hanging on to some or all of the home audio brands, I just don't know.

Were Onkyo to go up for sale, I believe it would be a brand name + patents only purchase by a Chinese company, who would then clean house completely, and manufacture Onkyo-branded gear with their own in-house design and engineering teams entirely in China. What the ensuing global reach, or lack thereof, would then become, it's anyone's guess (personally I think Onkyo would wind up limited to the Asian market).
 
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1 Onkyo purchased Pioneer's Home Entertainment Division, lock, stock and barrel, including all related patents. Pioneer Japan does not own any of those. All they own is the Pioneer name and logo. Full stop.

What that means is that Pioneer Japan can only dictate brand name and logo license terms. Onkyo Japan produced Pioneer-branded AVRs, and could only do so with Pioneer Japan's approval. Remove the name, and it's an Onkyo AVR. As stated in past posts, Onkyo chose to blend the Pioneer and Onkyo/Integra brands starting in 2016. Pioneer Japan could give a thumbs up or thumbs down based on how fat a royalty check they were promised by PAC/Voxx.

In 2021, Voxx partnered with Sharp to purchase Onkyo (mostly because Sharp controlled the factories Onkyo used to build Onkyo & Pioneer-branded gear). I was not privy to the details of that partnership, so I don't know who owns what in terms of patents. I suspect PAC/Voxx retained all patents, which ownership transfered to Gentex earlier this year when they bought Voxx and everything under the Voxx umbrella.

2. You have to understand that Gentex has zero experience in the home audio industry, so until they reach any conclusions of their own, Onkyo management---and PAC management---will remain intact. They will rely on what they are shown and told. Unless/until Voxx/PAC demonstrates that they are entirely incompetent in a way that jeopardizes profit growth...Gentex will leave things alone.

That being said, Gentex's rationale for purchasing Voxx remains fuzzy to me, Voxx's own car-audio relations aside. Gentex may have no intentions of hanging on to some or all of the home audio brands, I just don't know.

Were Onkyo to go up for sale, I believe it would be a brand name + patents only purchase by a Chinese company, who would then clean house completely, and manufacture Onkyo-branded gear with their own in-house design and engineering teams entirely in China. What the ensuing global reach, or lack thereof, would then become, it's anyone's guess (personally I think Onkyo would wind up limited to the Asian market).
That bodes ill for all the AV brands concerned.... many highly regarded brands have already disappeared into new corporate ownerships only to fade away....

Perhaps it is up to us, the consumers, to highlight what we expect / hope for, and what kind of electronics we are seeking / willing to purchase.... (to Gentex)

The RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 is good kit.... but left to wither on the vine, it could be the swansong of all these brands.
 
That bodes ill for all the AV brands concerned.... many highly regarded brands have already disappeared into new corporate ownerships only to fade away....

Perhaps it is up to us, the consumers, to highlight what we expect / hope for, and what kind of electronics we are seeking / willing to purchase.... (to Gentex)

The RZ70/DRX8.4/LX805 is good kit.... but left to wither on the vine, it could be the swansong of all these brands.
It is their swansong.
 
Has anyone compared the LX805 to its predecessor LX904 soundwise in Pure Direct or MCACC mode? Dirac aside: would you say that the 805 is a step up in audio quality?
I recently upgraded to the 805 from the 904 and overall have been very pleased.

With the 904 I stayed mostly in Pure Direct mode as I just didn't find the processing of MCACC very pleasing. While clarity in the bass was somewhat improved, I found the upper frequencies lifeless and with a more brittle edge. Pure Direct mode kept the sound much more alive, warm and natural. While I have a very good sounding room in general, clarity and imaging have always been tough to achieve through tweaking speaker placement alone. After much tinkering with Dirac on my new 805 (and using a better microphone) I feel it has achieved a good compromise between much better clarity throughout the spectrum, cleaner bass for sure, while still preserving a natural ambience. I still struggle a bit with brightness in the upper midrange where Pure Direct mode provides more warmth. In Dirac, dropping the treble curve and shifting the high frequency curtain down to around 2K each offered improvements for different sources. So I have these different settings stored in the three Dirac profiles on the 805 and can switch back and forth as sounds best. I still wish I could get a more warmth in the upper range while preserving the adjustments Dirac is making to improve clarity and imaging, but it does seem like a trade-off.

I don't like using my one subwoofer for 2-channel music sources, using the sub only for movie soundtracks. Investing in Bass Control is tempting but I wonder if it would make much difference since I have only one sub. I'd be very curious to know if anyone has noticed a benefit from Dirac BC with two channel music playback with no sub in the mix.

Having a balanced input on the 805 has been a very welcome improvement for music listening as well.

I would also say that the 805 does a better job at image processing from what I can see. I still can't part with my 50" Pioneer Kuro Plasma display which still looks fabulous and thankfully is still going strong after so many years. So I can't really comment on how the 805 does with 4K sources compared to the 904, but the 2K picture seems even more crisp and detailed with fine color and wonderful inky blacks on the Kuro. DVDs often rival Blu Ray quality with the 1080P upscaling depending on the source material.

The 904 has been a great receiver and I can't really say a bad word about it. But I would say the 805 raises the bar.

One thing I wish I could figure out on the 805 is how to set the default display mode. On the 904 the default was "Input source and volume". On the 805 the default has been switched to "Listening mode'. While it is easy enough to scroll through the display modes with the Status button, it would be so nice to set a preferred default (or even to hold on the selected mode rather than revert back to the default within a few seconds). But going through all the settings, reading through the manual and searching online, it doesn't appear that this capability or feature exists to control this. If anyone has come across a way to do it, I'd love to know!

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The 805 is a great AV receiver for the price and here is hoping that the Pioneer brand will somehow live on.

While investing in AV is not for everyone, here is hoping that more marketing efforts can be made to promote these products and that more people will become curious and come to know what they are missing from their music and video content when they upgrade their system from just soundbars and Bluetooth speakers. Once you have the kind of incredible immersive experience a great AV receiver can provide with good speakers - especially with these new Dolby, DTS and Aero surround technologies - there is no going back!
 
I recently upgraded to the 805 from the 904 and overall have been very pleased.

With the 904 I stayed mostly in Pure Direct mode as I just didn't find the processing of MCACC very pleasing. While clarity in the bass was somewhat improved, I found the upper frequencies lifeless and with a more brittle edge. Pure Direct mode kept the sound much more alive, warm and natural. While I have a very good sounding room in general, clarity and imaging have always been tough to achieve through tweaking speaker placement alone. After much tinkering with Dirac on my new 805 (and using a better microphone) I feel it has achieved a good compromise between much better clarity throughout the spectrum, cleaner bass for sure, while still preserving a natural ambience. I still struggle a bit with brightness in the upper midrange where Pure Direct mode provides more warmth. In Dirac, dropping the treble curve and shifting the high frequency curtain down to around 2K each offered improvements for different sources. So I have these different settings stored in the three Dirac profiles on the 805 and can switch back and forth as sounds best. I still wish I could get a more warmth in the upper range while preserving the adjustments Dirac is making to improve clarity and imaging, but it does seem like a trade-off.

I don't like using my one subwoofer for 2-channel music sources, using the sub only for movie soundtracks. Investing in Bass Control is tempting but I wonder if it would make much difference since I have only one sub. I'd be very curious to know if anyone has noticed a benefit from Dirac BC with two channel music playback with no sub in the mix.

Having a balanced input on the 805 has been a very welcome improvement for music listening as well.

I would also say that the 805 does a better job at image processing from what I can see. I still can't part with my 50" Pioneer Kuro Plasma display which still looks fabulous and thankfully is still going strong after so many years. So I can't really comment on how the 805 does with 4K sources compared to the 904, but the 2K picture seems even more crisp and detailed with fine color and wonderful inky blacks on the Kuro. DVDs often rival Blu Ray quality with the 1080P upscaling depending on the source material.

The 904 has been a great receiver and I can't really say a bad word about it. But I would say the 805 raises the bar.

One thing I wish I could figure out on the 805 is how to set the default display mode. On the 904 the default was "Input source and volume". On the 805 the default has been switched to "Listening mode'. While it is easy enough to scroll through the display modes with the Status button, it would be so nice to set a preferred default (or even to hold on the selected mode rather than revert back to the default within a few seconds). But going through all the settings, reading through the manual and searching online, it doesn't appear that this capability or feature exists to control this. If anyone has come across a way to do it, I'd love to know!

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The 805 is a great AV receiver for the price and here is hoping that the Pioneer brand will somehow live on.

While investing in AV is not for everyone, here is hoping that more marketing efforts can be made to promote these products and that more people will become curious and come to know what they are missing from their music and video content when they upgrade their system from just soundbars and Bluetooth speakers. Once you have the kind of incredible immersive experience a great AV receiver can provide with good speakers - especially with these new Dolby, DTS and Aero surround technologies - there is no going Very much appreciated

I recently upgraded to the 805 from the 904 and overall have been very pleased.

With the 904 I stayed mostly in Pure Direct mode as I just didn't find the processing of MCACC very pleasing. While clarity in the bass was somewhat improved, I found the upper frequencies lifeless and with a more brittle edge. Pure Direct mode kept the sound much more alive, warm and natural. While I have a very good sounding room in general, clarity and imaging have always been tough to achieve through tweaking speaker placement alone. After much tinkering with Dirac on my new 805 (and using a better microphone) I feel it has achieved a good compromise between much better clarity throughout the spectrum, cleaner bass for sure, while still preserving a natural ambience. I still struggle a bit with brightness in the upper midrange where Pure Direct mode provides more warmth. In Dirac, dropping the treble curve and shifting the high frequency curtain down to around 2K each offered improvements for different sources. So I have these different settings stored in the three Dirac profiles on the 805 and can switch back and forth as sounds best. I still wish I could get a more warmth in the upper range while preserving the adjustments Dirac is making to improve clarity and imaging, but it does seem like a trade-off.

I don't like using my one subwoofer for 2-channel music sources, using the sub only for movie soundtracks. Investing in Bass Control is tempting but I wonder if it would make much difference since I have only one sub. I'd be very curious to know if anyone has noticed a benefit from Dirac BC with two channel music playback with no sub in the mix.

Having a balanced input on the 805 has been a very welcome improvement for music listening as well.

I would also say that the 805 does a better job at image processing from what I can see. I still can't part with my 50" Pioneer Kuro Plasma display which still looks fabulous and thankfully is still going strong after so many years. So I can't really comment on how the 805 does with 4K sources compared to the 904, but the 2K picture seems even more crisp and detailed with fine color and wonderful inky blacks on the Kuro. DVDs often rival Blu Ray quality with the 1080P upscaling depending on the source material.

The 904 has been a great receiver and I can't really say a bad word about it. But I would say the 805 raises the bar.

One thing I wish I could figure out on the 805 is how to set the default display mode. On the 904 the default was "Input source and volume". On the 805 the default has been switched to "Listening mode'. While it is easy enough to scroll through the display modes with the Status button, it would be so nice to set a preferred default (or even to hold on the selected mode rather than revert back to the default within a few seconds). But going through all the settings, reading through the manual and searching online, it doesn't appear that this capability or feature exists to control this. If anyone has come across a way to do it, I'd love to know!

View attachment 87177


The 805 is a great AV receiver for the price and here is hoping that the Pioneer brand will somehow live on.

While investing in AV is not for everyone, here is hoping that more marketing efforts can be made to promote these products and that more people will become curious and come to know what they are missing from their music and video content when they upgrade their system from just soundbars and Bluetooth speakers. Once you have the kind of incredible immersive experience a great AV receiver can provide with good speakers - especially with these new Dolby, DTS and Aero surround technologies - there is no going back!
Very much appreciated!

So sorry that this almost certainly the very last respectable Pioneer AVR any of us will ever see, but tremendously proud to have been directly responsible for it's development.
 
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