Aperion Audio Verus II Grand Tower Speaker Review

Manufacturer & Model
Aperion Audio Verus II Grand Tower
MSRP
$2,498
Link
https://www.aperionaudio.com/explore-verus2
Highlights
New tweeter and crossover network, gorgeous cabinet design and finish, tonal balance punctuated by smooth high frequencies and controlled bass, excellent imaging.
Summary
The Verus II Grand Tower is Aperion Audio’s newest flagship model. It features a redesigned tweeter and crossover network, in addition to other modest alterations, improving upon the company’s original Verus Grand speaker. Its beautiful cabinet and high-quality fit and finish match the speaker’s smoothly balanced sonic presentation. Considering price, the Verus II offers incredible value and performance.
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Seven years ago, Aperion Audio invaded the moderately-priced speaker segment with the introduction of a new flagship line called Verus Grand. The series upped the Internet Direct retailer’s game and impressed critics with a tempting balance of affordability and performance. The company has since issued a refresh called Verus II Grand, a complete lineup of tower, bookshelf, and center channel models. AV NIRVANA was asked to evaluate a stereo pair of the new Verus II Grand Tower (Gloss Cherry), a serious high-performance full-range speaker. If you think the Verus II has a statement appearance, then stick around because the speaker’s capabilities are worth checking out.


A Fresh Start
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The Verus II Grand Tower ($2,498/pair in Cherry, $2,318/pair in Black) looks strikingly similar to the original Verus Grand. In fact, the two speakers are practically physical twins. But don’t be fooled by its appearance, because Aperion has injected its new standard-bearer with several noteworthy technical improvements. To start, the company is using a re-engineered custom one-inch silk dome tweeter. The tweeter features a patented Axially Stabilized Radiating (ASR) design that retains the anchored center point of Aperion’s original ASR, but adds a new “wishbone” waveguide. This design better controls break up modes, has a more uniform frequency response, and offers a broader dispersion of sound.

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The speaker also features a new re-voiced crossover network for a smoother balanced sound. The crossover houses upgraded parts, such as Mylar and Polypropylene capacitors, and is paired with new wire gauge assignments to the speaker’s woofers (12-gauge), midrange drivers (14-gauge), and tweeter (16-gauge). The company has also replaced stamped metal jumpers on the rear speaker terminals with attractive 12-gauge wire jumpers and spade connectors.

The speaker’s 3-way driver layout remains the same, with five-inch woven Kevlar woofers positioned above and below a single tweeter on the topside, and dual six-inch woven Kevlar woofers on the lower half. The new cabinet also still presents a bass reflex design, with dual ports on the lower portion of the backside of the cabinet.


Unboxing
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The Towers were shipped in two separate boxes weighing roughly 75-pounds each. Unboxing proved to be a fairly straight forward process, aided by the fact that Aperion ships the Verus II Grand upside down. Internally, both boxes were strengthened with large sheets of loose cardboard and rigid corner reinforcements, and thick high-quality foam was used to cap the top and bottom of each speaker.

The packaging’s topside foam block housed each speaker’s base-widening foot plates, rug spikes, and installation materials. Total time from cutting tape to installing hardware and flipping a box for speaker removal was measured in minutes. Once standing, the speakers had several more layers of protection, including foam ribbing, a plastic bag, and a blue felt sack with a purple silk lining. The sack is a nice touch and set the stage for the full reveal of the Verus II’s glorious furniture grade finish – just the kind of presentation I like to experience when opening something that’s billed as special. We captured the unboxing process on video (along with lots of cabinet photos), simply click on the image (below) to watch.




Build Quality
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Handling the Verus II Grand is a pure delight. The speaker feels every bit of its 65-pounds, but remains rather manageable due to its overall weight distribution. I was able to move both speakers from their staging area (down a flight of steps) into my home theater with relative ease. And while carrying heavy objects might convey as rather mundane, it’s a great chance to become acquainted with a speaker’s true physical prowess. As images of the Verus II’s Cherry Veneer exterior relay, it’s a beautiful speaker. The speaker’s finish is downright luscious with a thick watery presence that’s silky smooth to the touch – total luxury eye candy!

Overall build quality is just what you’d expect from a pair of speakers costing $2,500, and some. To be honest, I had to double-check Aperion’s website for pricing information after wrapping-up unboxing and installation. In a momentary lapse of memory, I’d convinced myself they were priced at $4,000 a pair (which seemed completely reasonable considering fit and finish). While the speaker’s perfectly stained Cherry Veneer is a statement unto itself, Aperion appointed the Verus II with fine touches that up its physical character. From the cloth covered metal grille that inserts tightly into small channels cut on either side of the speaker’s thick black baffle to the quality speaker terminals and attractive 12-guage bridging straps, the Verus II looks like a champion. Other parts, such as the speaker’s foot plates and rug spikes, also look and feel right.

A quick knuckle-wrap test on the Verus II’s topside is like knocking on a concrete slab, and the sides of the cabinet produce a satisfying thud.

The Verus II’s curvilinear cabinet design offers smooth lines and an aerodynamic appearance. Its sides taper to the rear and its top has slight rounding for an extra bit of visual pop. Perhaps artful is an appropriate word, but the cabinet is distinctive and ready to stand as the centerpiece of a room (making it easy to integrate into high visibility areas of a home). At 8-inches wide and 43.5-inches tall, it’s a narrow speaker that definitely requires the use of the included footing plates (which are wider) for stability.

If you’re a home theater owner looking to integrate the Verus II into a light controlled environment, it’s worth noting that the cabinet's finish is light reflective. For the record, I tested the speaker's dark room-impact on either side of a 105” cinemascope screen and found it to be a non-issue to the eye. The Verus II’s black baffles and grilles were the primary visual during movie testing (eliminating visibility of the speaker’s sides across my room’s seating positions). That isn’t to say that some light didn’t reflect back onto the screen, but that kind of impact wasn’t readily noticeable.


Set Up
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The Verus II Grands were evaluated in an acoustically treated theater room (18-ft long x 14.5-ft wide x 8-ft tall), positioned approximately 2-feet from front and side room boundaries (10-feet apart) and 10.5-feet from the middle listening position (MLP). Fine tuning the speakers’ final resting spots took quite a bit of experimentation, ultimately resulting in positioning with fairly aggressive toe-ins aimed directly at the MLP; wider toe-ins resulted in loose imaging and a (slightly) smeared presentation, while aiming the speakers to crisscross in front of the MLP resulted in a narrow sound.

After several A-B listening tests, I opted to leave the speaker grills on. My ears had difficulty hearing a definitive high frequency difference with the grilles removed, and I decided to give Aperion’s engineering team a nod of confidence.

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Aperion's spec sheet claims the Virus II Grand has an overall frequency response of 45-20,000 Hz (+/- 3dB). My in-room measurement (microphone at MLP, 1/2 averaging) demonstrates quite a bit of extension below the 45 Hz mark.


Associated Equipment
For this review, I tapped the capabilities of an OPPO UDP-205’s internal ESS DAC and analog output stage connected to a Yamaha RX-A3050 AVR/Emotiva XPA-5 amplifier combo. The RX-A3050 was set-on Pure Direct mode to remove any internal processing, allowing the OPPO’s DAC to run the show.


The Sound
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Thus far we’ve established that Aperion’s Verus II Grand Towers talk the talk with a beautiful physical presentation. But, can they walk the walk in the sound department?

As I found, the answer to that question is YES.

The Verus II is a balanced sounding speaker with a unique character that’s immediately noticeable, making two-channel listening quite a special experience. In fact, it quickly seduced me into a solid week of rediscovering old music favorites and playing preferred demo tracks loaded with reference sound.

Tough work, eh?

The speaker’s high frequency capabilities strike a perfect balance of buttery smoothness and exacting sharpness, which kept my listening sessions detailed and snappy while taming any notion of harshness or fatigue. Its ability to handle delicate fine details without tripping into a world of overly bright playback lends to a listening experience that drips with refinement. My ears prefer a certain sense of brightness in a speaker, and the Verus II was extraordinarily satisfying due to its laid-back sharpness.

The Verus II is also no slouch in the low-end, with a robust punch punctuated by tightness and vibrancy. Even when pushed to reference levels, it maintains control and precision in the bass realm. Much like the high-end, the speaker manages bass output without removing a sense of warmth or expansiveness. Its midrange capabilities are also a strong suit, loaded with uncolored detail, serving as a solid bridge between bass and treble. The result is a listening experience that’s uniformly balanced from top to bottom. And that’s probably the best way to describe the speaker: balanced. While that might read as unexciting and vanilla, let me assure you, the Verus II has plenty of character and pizzazz to make for a presentation that sounds special.

In terms of soundstage, the speaker is dynamic and composed. I found imaging to be exacting, with various instruments and voices occupying their own space with distinctive separation. Not only did the soundstage possess the ability to expand beyond the speakers, it also exhibited a depth that pushed away from the MLP, making for a massive three-dimensional canvas. That combined with a true airiness and sense of endless space for mesmerizing listening. The speaker is also confidently comfortable staying controlled as the volume is cranked.

Here’s a sample of select demo session notes:

The Chainsmokers Collage EP (CD)
This five-song pop gem is loaded with rich details, dynamic electronic snap, and sound that enjoys living outside the speaker arrangement. It also has plenty of gritty imperfections that are fun to discover. “Inside Out,” the fourth track on the EP, allowed the Verus II to shine. Swedish vocalist Charlee Nyman’s voice is full of wispy breaths and a subtle roughness that plays perfectly to the song’s clean electronica presence. The Verus IIs were comfortable revealing all, with a beautiful reproduction of Nyman surrounded by jaw dropping depth powered by the song’s toe-tapping anthem. Imaging was off the charts, with low and mid-range frequencies punching through the front wall and high frequencies dancing happily in the air. At the song’s climax, the soundstage audibly wrapped around the room with a high-frequency burst. I listened to this particular track dozens of times, marveling at the overall balance of presentation and exactness of reproduction. Truly fantastic.

“All We Know” proved to be another ear pleasing listen, showing off the Verus II’s ability to deliver an extravagantly smooth presentation. Again, balance from top to bottom was present, perfectly punctuated with ridiculously clean bass.

Lou Reed Walk on the Wild Side, The Best of Lou Reed (CD)
Let’s cut right to the chase and talk a little “Walk on the Wild Side.” The Verus II devoured this track and regurgitated a gorgeous sonic presentation. Reed’s vocals were raw and revealed, and his voice appeared both centered and distant from the soundstage. The song’s backing vocals entered the mix by blossoming forward, ever expanding outward. And the song’s punchy bass guitar dripped with character.


Pink Floyd The Wall (CD)
The Wall (in particular “Another Brick in the Wall, Pt 2”) proved to be the perfect sonic playground for the Verus II, and perhaps my favorite demo material. The speakers’ minutely tamed tweeter presentation allowed this song to sing without a hint of harshness, and mid-range sounds (such as the song’s strumming guitar) seemed to effortlessly slide into the room. The soundstage for this track was immensely diverse, pushing to the room’s boundaries and punching away from the MLP. It was quite the sonic experience. The transition to “Mother” literally sent a shiver down my spine as the track blossomed to life with a vibrancy and airiness that sounded magical. The Verus II had such a delicate nature about its ways, easily touching on high-end variables that punctuate audiophile qualities.


Aphex Twin Selected Ambient Works 85-92 (CD)
Richard D. James’ Selected Ambient Works 85-92 is an ambient gem loaded with throbbing beats and subtle scratchy details just begging to be discovered. This album gave the Verus II a workout and proved to be a joy to the ears. Other albums demoed during this review featured punchy bass that existed in the middle of soundstage. Ambient Works, however, has quite a few bass tracks that like to be dispersed in the air (and that’s exactly what the Verus II delivered). The album’s copious echoes were also revealed in a detailed and airy fashion, making my home theater room sound unusually hollow and cavernous. To note, this was the only album that coaxed any objectionable distortion from the speakers’ bass drivers when taken to reference levels. To be fair, its low-end material can be ruthless. Nevertheless, buyers hoping to drive massively bass-laden music might want to consider using an external subwoofer with the Verus Grand IIs (for that kind of material).


Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band Almost Acoustic (CD)
Almost Acoustic is a fantastic live performance recorded in 1987, and the Verus IIs did it justice. This particular recording dispenses of a wide soundstage in favor of one that lives squarely between the speakers. What happens there, however, is truly magical. The Verus II Grands created an experience where each instrument (from guitar to mandolin and banjo to dobro) occupied its own space, razor sharp and precise in presentation. The speakers’ playback of “Blue Yodel” was simply spectacular, as Garcia’s voice seemed to step into the room with astounding realism. The character and definition of his voice, backed by the beautiful inexactness of the song’s acoustical jam, was simply special. The Verus IIs didn’t force themselves upon the music, stepping back and allowing the music to flow with its own natural beauty. That natural flavor was on full display as the speakers delivered every little imperfection from the guitars’ sparkly twangs and squeaky strings. And while not as dramatic and robust as other demoed music, the Verus II’s treatment of this album sealed my stamp of approval.



Conclusion
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The Verus II Grand Tower is a total delight, offering a true sense of unique audiophilism without a massive price tag. The speaker's looks are gorgeous and its balanced sound makes for hours of pleasure-filled listening. While its high-frequency qualities (which are tamed just enough to keep sound sharp) might be its defining audio characteristic, it’s a true solid performer from top to bottom. The beauty of Aperion’s sales model is a free 60-day in-home audition period (free shipping both ways), making the Verus II an easy speaker to recommend.







Verus Grand II Tower Specifications
  • Weight: 65.0 lbs
  • Frequency Response: (+/- 3dB) 45-20,000 Hz -- (+/- 6dB) 35-22,000 Hz
  • Impedance: 6 Ohms
  • Sensitivity: 92 dB
  • Recommended Power: 20-300 Watts
  • Crossover: 300 Hz between woofers & mids, 2.2 kHz between mids and tweeters
  • Tweeter: 1" Custom Aperion ASR Tweeter
  • Midrange: Two 5" Woven Kevlar Woofers with Aluminum Phase Plugs
  • Woofer Two: 6" Woven Kevlar Woofers with PVC Dust Cap and Rubber Surrounds
  • Driver Configuration: 3-Way
  • Enclosure Type: Anti-Resonant, Internally Braced, Dual Rear Ported
  • Dimensions: 43.5" H x 8" W x 12" D
  • Product Family: Verus
  • Placement Location: Front Speakers
 
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Thank you for the review Todd. These speakers sound promising. I once looked at Aperion before I settled for the SVS Prime towers.
Do you think these ones are better considering they have dual midrange?
Prime has one midrange 4.5" and dual 6.5" woofer.
 

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Sure thing Asere!

These are definitely fantastic speakers... as for the comparison between Aperion vs SVS, I'll be able to give you my honest assessment in about 2 weeks. Yes, the SVS Atmos system review is finally underway!

I can tell you this... if you're looking for a very refined sounding two-channel experience – something with a sound that likes to remove itself from he picture – then Aperion is a great choice. I have a ton of respect for Aperion's effort and appreciate the experience their speaker delivers. As I said in the review, I've had a ton of fun listening to music with the Verus II Towers. Great sound stage with depth and width... and the sound didn't feel forced across highs, mids, and lows. Add to that, the Verus II's stunning looks and the free trial period, and you have a speaker that's easy to recommend!
 

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Sure thing Asere!

These are definitely fantastic speakers... as for the comparison between Aperion vs SVS, I'll be able to give you my honest assessment in about 2 weeks. Yes, the SVS Atmos system review is finally underway!

I can tell you this... if you're looking for a very refined sounding two-channel experience – something with a sound that likes to remove itself from he picture – then Aperion is a great choice. I have a ton of respect for Aperion's effort and appreciate the experience their speaker delivers. As I said in the review, I've had a ton of fun listening to music with the Verus II Towers. Great sound stage with depth and width... and the sound didn't feel forced across highs, mids, and lows. Add to that, the Virus II's stunning looks and the free trial period, and you have a speaker that's easy to recommend!
Thank you Todd! I will definitely read your Aperion vs SVS when it is up. I mainly use my speakers for movie watching. (movies 80%/music 20%)
Does having 2 midrange speakers vs one provide more midrange or does it matter so long as you have a good sub the sub can provide the midrange? Same with tweeter one vs two. Is two that much better?
 

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Well... not necessarily. Driver placement... quality of parts (both drivers and crossover networks)... cabinet design... so many factors play into how a pair of speakers sound. So, I wouldn't necessarily judge based on that. Your sub basically takes the bass drivers (on towers) out of the equation. So the midrange and tweeters should be operating full range.

I just noticed you have Primes (which are very competent speakers!)... I'm evaluating Ultras. So, will be tough to compare.
 

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Well... not necessarily. Driver placement... quality of parts (both drivers and crossover networks)... cabinet design... so many factors play into how a pair of speakers sound. So, I wouldn't necessarily judge based on that. Your sub basically takes the bass drivers (on towers) out of the equation. So the midrange and tweeters should be operating full range.

I just noticed you have Primes (which are very competent speakers!)... I'm evaluating Ultras. So, will be tough to compare.
I see what you mean. I am still looking forward to reading the review on the Aperion vs SVS even if it is not Prime. Would be interesting comparing the two flagship models.
 

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Great review Todd....

I signed on to be able to comment, after owning many sets of Aperion Audio speakers. I'm a big fan.

I've owned three different sets of Verus Grand towers, and each time I acquired a set I flipped them in mild frustration, as although I loved the overall presentation and quality in general, they were just a tad too laid back for my taste, as I too enjoy some brightness in my towers. I will say that my old set of Aperion 6T towers had enough treble to satisfy my tastes, but those too have since been flipped.

Picking up a set of these has been under consideration for some time now. I'm absolutely sold on Aperion's quality and value, as I've purchased other internet direct speakers including Axiom, and found Aperion really hard to beat. Since my gear has changed to mostly lossless files via USB through a pretty nice DAC/player, and hybrid amplifier, I'm eager to do some A/B testing against my current favorites - Triangle out of France. Aperion has advised that their new tweeter design and crossover tweaks may well satisfy my tastes.

The Triangle towers image incredibly well with stunning detail and rate the same efficiency as the Verus Grand II models. I'm well expecting the Aperion's to handle bass frequency much better than the Triangle towers, and wonder how they will compare in image, sound stage, and clarity. I'd love to give them a good trial run with my new gear, and hope to find the time for that soon....
 
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Another superb review Todd... and I would expect no less from Aperion. These are gorgeous to say the least. I would love to hear them one day.

Welcome to AV NIRVANA Kurt :T
 

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Great review Todd....

I signed on to be able to comment, after owning many sets of Aperion Audio speakers. I'm a big fan.

I've owned three different sets of Verus Grand towers, and each time I acquired a set I flipped them in mild frustration, as although I loved the overall presentation and quality in general, they were just a tad too laid back for my taste, as I too enjoy some brightness in my towers. I will say that my old set of Aperion 6T towers had enough treble to satisfy my tastes, but those too have since been flipped.

Picking up a set of these has been under consideration for some time now. I'm absolutely sold on Aperion's quality and value, as I've purchased other internet direct speakers including Axiom, and found Aperion really hard to beat. Since my gear has changed to mostly lossless files via USB through a pretty nice DAC/player, and hybrid amplifier, I'm eager to do some A/B testing against my current favorites - Triangle out of France. Aperion has advised that their new tweeter design and crossover tweaks may well satisfy my tastes.

The Triangle towers image incredibly well with stunning detail and rate the same efficiency as the Verus Grand II models. I'm well expecting the Aperion's to handle bass frequency much better than the Triangle towers, and wonder how they will compare in image, sound stage, and clarity. I'd love to give them a good trial run with my new gear, and hope to find the time for that soon....
Hi Kurt -

Thanks for the comments! I agree with your sentiments about Aperion's quality – simply superb! Post review, I spent several hours listening to some favorite tracks before boxing the speaker's up. I really believe these speakers have it nailed...offering just enough zing to round-out a super smooth high-end (and, as you've pointed out, a great bass response). Sounds like these might be the ticket for ears such as yours (I'd be very curious to read your impressions once you give them a listen)!

My ears aren't familiar with Triangle speakers... so I can't offer any kind of comparison. Hope you have an opportunity to do an A/B!

Definitely stick around AV NIRVANA. Great to have you onboard!
 

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dual SVS SB16s + dual PSA XS30s
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Kurt in PNW

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Vincent SV-237
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Oppo BDP-103
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Triangle Celius ESW
Subwoofers
Aperion S-10
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Cary Audio DMC-600
Todd,

Your recent reply to this thread and it's notification had me coming back to see what it was all about. I forgot about this completely, and since in Nov 2017 I pulled the trigger on a set of Verus Grand II's, thought I'd leave my impressions:

Completely satisfied. I can't think of another way to describe them.

I sold my prior favorites, (Triangle Celius ESW Towers) and shipped them to Canada. Buyer was thrilled, and always a good thing making another audiophile happy with a new purchase.

I've driven the Aperion's mostly with a Vincent SV-237 paired with a Cary Audio DMC-600, and when streaming lossless files via USB on Tidal the sound quality is simply stunning. Beautiful clarity, pure midrange, wonderful bass dynamics, and holographic imaging that has you placing instruments on stage when eyes are closed. There are few combinations that actually put me in the zone, and this one does it incredibly well...

Recently I picked up a Separo P34i 45 wpc tube amplifier. I now find myself trying to select which amp to keep as although they do it differently, both drive these speakers with an amazing sound stage.

Life is truly hard when you have too much good audio gear... :-) The Verus Grand v II are simply stunning!

Happy New Year!
 

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Kurt,

Thanks for reporting back on your Verus Grand 2's. I'm very seriously looking at the new 3's, along with a few others. Todd had a lot of good things to say about them in the above link where he compared them to the SVS Ultra towers, (which I'm also considering). So you're happy with the bass and you're not running them with a sub?

I'm glad to hear what you said about sound stage and dynamics, as they seem like excellent speakers, and may be moving up on my short list of speakers to consider.

-Brian
 

Kurt in PNW

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Vincent SV-237
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Oppo BDP-103
Front Speakers
Triangle Celius ESW
Subwoofers
Aperion S-10
Other Speakers or Equipment
Cary Audio DMC-600
I do run a sub with them Brian, but I run a sub with every system that I have. For two channel systems I typically dial the sub in at 50 Hz or so, just to fill in the very lowest frequencies, but in most cases could run the Verus Grands without a sub just fine for my taste, especially with my newest tube amp.

I wouldn't consider my feelings about Aperion very objective...fair warning. I've owned many of their models over the years, and currently own the Verus Grand II's, 6T/6C for my main home theater set up, 532LR's over my garage workbench, and Verus Forte' towers in my weight room set up. Naw...I don't like them much... :-)

The only Aperion speaker that did not make the cut for me (believe it or not) was the original Verus Grand model. I tried to love them with three different sets, each time selling them off as they were a tad dark for my taste. After the improved tweeter and crossover tweaks of the second generation Grands, I was hooked and never looked back.

Todd's right about the cabinet quality too. These beauties are show pieces, currently staring at me from my office desk where I type this now. Their overall build quality leaves me feeling like I got such a great deal.

Nope....I don't work for Aperion. As I read my own words here I realize I'd wonder too. I do have tons of experience listening to many, many different speakers over the past 5 years though. (As in hundreds, but that's a whole 'nuther story...)

Yep... I like Aperion products, in case I wasn't clear :-)
 

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So you don't ever filter the bottom end of the Verus' at all? (not sure if my terminology is correct?) I will also be pairing whatever speakers I get with dual SB subs and figured I'd probably filter the very bottom end to some degree, in order to ease up on excursion at high volumes. I'm working from mostly theory here, as I have little experience with with all this. I had a system about 10 years ago that consisted of Axiom M60's and an Outlaw amp with two subs. The tech has come a long way and I haven't had any system since 2012. (long story). I'm doing as much research, and asking as many questions as I can before I start ordering for my new setup. I'm starting to develop paralysis by analysis, lol. I thought for sure I was going to get another Outlaw amp (they're new 7220) up until a few months ago when I started reading about class D. Now I'm leaning in that direction but without getting off topic here, I'm curious about if you run your mains at full range and if so why not filter just the very bottom?

Thanks, Brian
 

Kurt in PNW

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My AV System  
Main Amp
Vincent SV-237
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Oppo BDP-103
Front Speakers
Triangle Celius ESW
Subwoofers
Aperion S-10
Other Speakers or Equipment
Cary Audio DMC-600
So you don't ever filter the bottom end of the Verus' at all? (not sure if my terminology is correct?) I will also be pairing whatever speakers I get with dual SB subs and figured I'd probably filter the very bottom end to some degree, in order to ease up on excursion at high volumes. I'm working from mostly theory here, as I have little experience with with all this. I had a system about 10 years ago that consisted of Axiom M60's and an Outlaw amp with two subs. The tech has come a long way and I haven't had any system since 2012. (long story). I'm doing as much research, and asking as many questions as I can before I start ordering for my new setup. I'm starting to develop paralysis by analysis, lol. I thought for sure I was going to get another Outlaw amp (they're new 7220) up until a few months ago when I started reading about class D. Now I'm leaning in that direction but without getting off topic here, I'm curious about if you run your mains at full range and if so why not filter just the very bottom?

Thanks, Brian
Brian,

I have to admit that I don't know what filtering the bottom end means. There are no tone controls in the two channel system where the Aperion's are connected, and when I ran them with my Vincent which does have tone controls, I ran in bypass mode to eliminate the tone controls.

Speaker placement is all that I've ever spent time on when it comes to sound stage and image. A whole lot can be effected by placement.
 

BadJRT

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Brian,

I have to admit that I don't know what filtering the bottom end means. There are no tone controls in the two channel system where the Aperion's are connected, and when I ran them with my Vincent which does have tone controls, I ran in bypass mode to eliminate the tone controls.

Speaker placement is all that I've ever spent time on when it comes to sound stage and image. A whole lot can be effected by placement.
Sorry I meant high pass crossover filter. For example having your Aperion's only handling down to 60 or 50 Hz, where the sub would be taking over. What do you have your sub crossover set at on the high end?
 

Kurt in PNW

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My AV System  
Main Amp
Vincent SV-237
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Oppo BDP-103
Front Speakers
Triangle Celius ESW
Subwoofers
Aperion S-10
Other Speakers or Equipment
Cary Audio DMC-600
Sorry I meant high pass crossover filter. For example having your Aperion's only handling down to 60 or 50 Hz, where the sub would be taking over. What do you have your sub crossover set at on the high end?
I let the Aperion's play all the bass notes they can handle, and I set the subwoofer at about 50Hz, just to fill in the lowest octaves... I'm driving with a tube amplifier (Separo P34i) which has no tone controls or crossover adjustments.

Again...placement is all I've found necessary to dial them in, and I could live without the sub easily. I'm a clarity fan tho...not much of a bass-head.
 

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I let the Aperion's play all the bass notes they can handle, and I set the subwoofer at about 50Hz, just to fill in the lowest octaves... I'm driving with a tube amplifier (Separo P34i) which has no tone controls or crossover adjustments.

Again...placement is all I've found necessary to dial them in, and I could live without the sub easily. I'm a clarity fan tho...not much of a bass-head.
Thanks, that helps me out. Learning as I go. It'll probably be a few months til I actually pull the trigger on anything.
 
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