Multitone distortion chart

dcibel · Apr 3, 2024

Hello,
More of a general inquiry / feature request. I am wondering if there is any plan to add a multitone distortion plot, similar to what Klippel shows here:

Multi-tone Distortion

www.klippel.de

Most of the functionality already exists in REW through the generator and RTA functions, I would think it's just a matter of integrating between the peaks of a multitone measurement to create the chart.

John Mulcahy · Apr 3, 2024

Have you tried saving a multitone capture from the RTA and looking at the distortion graph?

dcibel · Apr 3, 2024

I think you know that I had not

Amazing stuff John, thanks! You've opened a whole new can of worms in my loudspeaker evaluations.

dcibel · Apr 6, 2024

Ok, follow up question / feature ask. In the RTA Stepped Measurement, there is THD vs Frequency, THD vs level, IMD vs level, but not IMD vs frequency.

The idea would be to run subsequent RTA in a similar manner to THD vs frequency, so a relative IMD level could be determined per set of two-tone IMD measurements. For this stepped measurement, one frequency tone would remain constant, for example a bass tone of 100 Hz, and then a second frequency stepped from 700Hz to 7kHz with log spacing of each step. Is this doable?

dcibel · Apr 6, 2024

Just one more thing to note. REW 5.31 is generating an out of bounds exception when I run stepped measurement for THD vs frequency. The measurement continues despite the error.

REW V5.31 running Azul Systems, Inc. JRE 1.8.0_402 64-bit on Windows 10 Locale: language en, keyboard CA, windows-1252 at 96 DPI Running in C:\Program Files\REW

Message:
java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -4

Stack Trace:
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -4
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java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.get(FutureTask.java:192)
javax.swing.SwingWorker.get(SwingWorker.java:602)
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javax.swing.SwingWorker$5.run(SwingWorker.java:737)
javax.swing.SwingWorker$DoSubmitAccumulativeRunnable.run(SwingWorker.java:832)
sun.swing.AccumulativeRunnable.run(AccumulativeRunnable.java:112)
javax.swing.SwingWorker$DoSubmitAccumulativeRunnable.actionPerformed(SwingWorker.java:842)
javax.swing.Timer.fireActionPerformed(Timer.java:313)
javax.swing.Timer$DoPostEvent.run(Timer.java:245)
java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(InvocationEvent.java:311)
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEventImpl(EventQueue.java:758)
java.awt.EventQueue.access$500(EventQueue.java:97)
java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:709)
java.awt.EventQueue$3.run(EventQueue.java:703)
java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
java.security.ProtectionDomain$JavaSecurityAccessImpl.doIntersectionPrivilege(ProtectionDomain.java:74)
java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(EventQueue.java:728)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(EventDispatchThread.java:205)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(EventDispatchThread.java:116)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(EventDispatchThread.java:105)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:101)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(EventDispatchThread.java:93)
java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(EventDispatchThread.java:82)
Caused by:
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -4
-4
roomeqwizard.qH.C(y:2053)
roomeqwizard.YJ.A(y:2323)
roomeqwizard.YJ.A(y:3480)
roomeqwizard.YJ$_B.D(y:1666)
roomeqwizard.YJ$_B.doInBackground(y:97)
javax.swing.SwingWorker$1.call(SwingWorker.java:295)
java.util.concurrent.FutureTask.run(FutureTask.java:266)
javax.swing.SwingWorker.run(SwingWorker.java:334)
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1149)
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:624)
java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:750)

John Mulcahy · Apr 6, 2024

I've fixed the error for the next build. I haven't seen any standard for the swept IMD you asked about, is there one?

dcibel · Apr 6, 2024

There may be some information in IEC 60268-21, but I don't have a copy of it, rather pricey document to purchase.

The references I am looking at are from Klippel. Page 16-19 of this presentation, with calculations from IEC 60268-21 shown on page 25:

https://www.klippel.de/fileadmin/klippel/Files/Know_How/Webinar/IEC*21/EN%20Handout/KLIPPEL%20LIVE%20Series1_Part9%20-%20Intermodulation%20Distortion%20-%20Music%20is%20More%20than%20a%20Single%20Tone.pdf

You will see in the screenshot on page 16 how Klippel is set up for this measurement. f2 setting is the constant tone, and f1 defines a sweep range and number of points for the stepped measurement.

And the accompanying video.

Discussion of IMD vs frequency starts around 15:28 mark:

John Mulcahy · Apr 6, 2024

So a variation of the DIN or SMPTE IMD test with a varying f2. I'll put it on the list to look at.

dcibel · Apr 6, 2024

Thanks John.

Multitone distortion chart

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