REW V5.30.9 Check Level when from 75dB to 106db on my subwoofers

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I am used a miniDSP 2x4HD (2x4HD) and REW's Check Level to matched my 4 subs to 75db before taking Multi-Point (8) measurements sweeps.

I was successful in taking measurements at 3 positions for 4 subs (@75dB), but at position 4 when checking levels it register 106dB. All sequence Check Levels were at 106dB.
Rebooted laptop and checked Window 10 Sound Control Panel and nothing had changed. Microphone Level @100, 1 channel, 16bit, 48Hz dvd quality. DENON-AVR-X4700H Properties Levels @100 and Sample rate of 24 bit, 48000Hz.

Help would be appreciated. This is beyond my level of "expertise" (lol).

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This morning I changed the Sweep Level to -21.0dBFS from -12.0dBFS and kept the AVR volume @-14.0 (my normal listening volume). This gave me a reasonable output of 76dB.

I'll run my subwoofer sweeps later. If successful I will run Audyssey to get the remaining speakers (7 bed layer and 4 ATMOS speakers) using Obsessive Compulsive Audiophile EXCEL files to extract the sweeps
from the Audyssey .ADY file in to REW.

P.S. Prior to reducing the Sweep LEVEL I changed the Volume of the DENON in WIN10 Control Panel from 100 to 75 with out any change to the loudness still at 105dB
 
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Got my sub sweeps for all 8 positions without any change in volume while measuring the subs. I still don't get how it could have changed the first time.
 
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@socbutter Did you see


and


It is recommended to do gain matching of the sub and not SPL matching.
 

socbutter

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Thank you for the videos. A few questions:

1 set subs in same location for measurements and keep mic at MLP?
2 set AVR volume at the level I listen to media (do not change)
3 I can use REW's Tone generator? Set to NOISE + PINK RANDOM + Sub Cal (30-80Hz) + Output Channel 4: Subwoofer?
4 I have everything OFF in the AVR Audio/Surround Parameter except Low Frequency Effects @ -10dB? is this correct?
5 In the AVR set-->Speakers/Bass-->Subwoofer Mode LFE-->LPF for LFE 250Hz?
6 Set GAIN (Volume) dial at 12 o'clock position for all subs and adjust gain in the miniDSP 2x4HD?
7 When taking sweeps of the subs (before alignment) should Low Frequency Effects be kept @ -10dB if not using the LFE option while taking sweeps?

Thank you in advance for your reply.
 
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achugh

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Pioneer Elite SC-37
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Panasonic BP-UB9000P1K
Front Speakers
Klipsch RF7 II
Center Channel Speaker
Klipsch RC64 II
Surround Speakers
Klipsch RB81 II
Surround Back Speakers
KlipschRB81 II
Subwoofers
Tweak City Audio CS18.2 (Dual Subs)
Video Display Device
LG OLED77G2PUA
Other Equipment
miniDSP 2x4HD, UMIK-1
@socbutter First of all I am learning as well as a disclosure as I am not an expert.

For Gain Matching since it is not easy to move subs around and putting them exactly at the same position and same angle is not an easy task, I read or saw somewhere the following is acceptable.

1. In REW using the Tone Generator send the AC Main frequency i.e. 60Hz in USA and 50Hz at other places. You should know what is your AC Mains frequency in your country.
2. Now put a microphone in front of the subwoofer driver 6 inches from the center of the cone. This method works best if your subs have 1 subwoofer driver or your are not stacking subwoofers. Also having a sealed subwoofer gives better results with this method. All these pre-conditions of this method apply to me as I have a single sealed 18 inch subwoofer driver.
3. Make sure your mic is 0 degrees (so facing the subwoofer driver) and not facing up like it is done for taking subwoofer measurements at listening positions.
4. Load the 0 deg calibration file in REW for measurements.
5. Using an SPL meter, put it on top of this microphone and set the appropriate settings like (C weight age, SLOW averaging and appropriate band so the SPL meter does not show over or under warnings). If you do not have an SPL meter then REW will give you an SPL meter if you also open REW's SPL meter in addition to the tone generator using the UMIK-1 calibration file information from miniDSP. If you got your mic professionally calibrated then you can copy that 1st line from miniDSP file to your calibrated file to get a rough idea of SPL.
6. Now you send your 60Hz or 50Hz tone depending on your AC Mains frequency at any level (-12 dbFS or - 30 db FS) and take a reading on your SPL from the 1st subwoofer.
7. Move the mic and your SPL meter (if applicable) to the other subwoofer. Send the same single and take reading.
8. If both subwoofers should have the same SPL then you are gain matched. If not, you can adjust the one that you like as they will be pretty close if the subs of same kind.

FYI, as an additional TIP, I connect the USB output from my laptop directly to the USB input on my minDSP and switch the miniDSP input to USB instead of the typical ANALOG. This bypasses all the AVR issues you have mentioned above because the goal is to first get an aligned virtual sub created in your room which is then used as the single sub that the AVR should see and use for its calibration.

Hope this help. Good luck!
 
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