Music versus Atmos

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I believe for music release Atmos is unsuitable. I believe and hope it will go the way of Q Sound, Quad, and MQA.
 

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I can't decide if Elliot is just having a hard time with the industry going in a new direction. Perhaps, pushing back on new technologies because they aren't they way he did it back in the 70s and 80s? He seems a bit jaded....

I say that, without knowing up from down when it comes to music production. And, of course, I have tremendous respect for the man and his accomplishments.
 

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He does sound his age. However all the points he makes are pretty much self evidently correct.
 

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Was he against the format or all of the things he cited that make it less than?

Ive not heard an atmos music only mix. If there are sounds panned, especially overhead, for most music I don’t think I’d like it. Any music I’ve seen live the band is in front, the room provided ambiance.

I can see some genres using it as part of the original art and that’s great, but I’m with Elliot when he says no to bad remixes just to sell an inferior copy of a stereo recording.
 

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I think Dolby and Apple are trying a coup, however well intentioned. Dolby's attempt at a standardised listening response is laudable in terms of the Circle of Confusion IMO. Their acceptance that Flat Response in the Control Room is a nonsense, I warmly welcome. Some of us have been saying that for years. But it strikes me as a fantasy to think that any large number of listeners would invest in a space and multi speaker system to hear what is created in a DA Control Room.
The Mix in Music is part of it. It is illuminating view Mastering Stereo Music using M/S Tools, that the vast majority, say 80-90% of the energy is Mono.
 

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There's an Atmos encoded song on the Dolby demo disc that's insane. But, I'm not sure how common that kind of experience is...
 

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I've purchased some fantastic music-only Atmos releases in the past year and a half... along with several disappointing ones. The best music only Atmos release I've heard to date from a production standpoint is most definitely the Blu Ray Pure Audio version of the album Point by the venerable Krautrock outfit, Yello. While not Yello's best work musically the Atmos mix is flat out jaw dropping and so much fun. Off the top of my head, a few other recent music only Atmos Blu-Ray purchases I've really enjoyed were Tears For Fears latest release, The Tipping Point and Everything But The Girls' latest, titled Fuse. Though neither of the latter's productions are quite up to the standard set by Yello's Point.
 

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If you have an AppleTV and an Apple Music subscription, there are a handful of albums to listen to that show how effective the use of Atmos for music can be, when mixed correctly, and you can do so without making additional purchases.

Take a listen to the new Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon Atmos mix, or ODESZA's Better Now.

By most critiques we also shouldn't have stereo music releases, either. In the early stereo days, there were crappy stereo mixes. In the early digital days, there were some really crappy CD releases. In the early Atmos days, there have been some really crappy Atmos mixes (both movies and music). It will take time for the professionals to really learn the mechanics and the philosophies of the tools, best practices will be standardized, and the overall quality of product will improve.

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