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I find listening to music in Atmos is like watching a live play instead of a movie. Object based audio is much closer to the live experience than channel based audio. Check out this interview of engineer Bruce Botnick:
 

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Where are you sourcing it from?
 

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Where are you sourcing it from?
I have Atmos music blue rays, nice but a little expensive, I bought the Dolby Access app for both my PC and my X-Box. On the PC you can use a feature that transodes audio into atmos for your headphones. On the X-Box it is fantastic. You can transcode any type of audio into Atmos and bitstream it to your processor. Finally I tried the Amazon Atmos streams via my Firestick into my processor. The selection on Amazon is limited but growing. My favorite is the X-Box,simply exceptional. If you are thinking about getting an X-Box wait until the new version is released in December.

 
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I’d still like to hear Auro someday. Those that have speak highly of it.
My Marantz processor also has Auro. There is not a lot of content encoded in Auro but the auromatic upmixer blows away Atmos and DTS-X. If I am listening to stereo content Auro is the best upmixer by far. For movies mixed in DD or DTS Auro is much more dynamic as an upmixer. DSU and DTS-X upmixing are fine for movies until you compare them to Auro 3D. The "3 tiers" of height layers make a difference.
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I don't really care about adding another device, but if it's music that I like and I can listen from what I already have, I might give it a try.
 

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I don't really care about adding another device, but if it's music that I like and I can listen from what I already have, I might give it a try.
Looking at your system it's "mint" with the NAD processor and ML speakers in an Atmos setup. You have the Panasonic player, all you need to do is order a music blueray in atmos:

 

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So at this point there are not streaming services with Atmos music?

That link isn't showing me anything but a bunch of ads.
 

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So it looks like there are some on Amazon HD and on Tidal, although not many artist I care a lot about. Perhaps over time something will come along that I like, being I like really weird music.
 

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So it looks like there are some on Amazon HD and on Tidal, although not many artist I care a lot about. Perhaps over time something will come along that I like, being I like really weird music.
Do you have any music on a computer? If so you can transcode ANY files into Atmos using this Dolby Access software:

 

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I'm not sure I'd want to hear what sounds like multi-channel stereo that is not being played back as it was recorded and intended to be played. I would prefer original Atmos recordings, which may be hard to find if all they are doing it extracting the Atmos channels from the original recording. I suppose I'll just have to listen to it, but I am a huge fan of imaging, sound stage and depth acuity, and if it messes with that, I won't care for it, as it won't be accurate.
 

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I’d still like to hear Auro someday. Those that have speak highly of it.
It's amazing. The biggest issue being media availability.
 

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I'm not sure I'd want to hear what sounds like multi-channel stereo that is not being played back as it was recorded and intended to be played. I would prefer original Atmos recordings, which may be hard to find if all they are doing it extracting the Atmos channels from the original recording. I suppose I'll just have to listen to it, but I am a huge fan of imaging, sound stage and depth acuity, and if it messes with that, I won't care for it, as it won't be accurate.
You might not like it, that's true. Your system seems well suited for it though. I have compared all versions (Blue Ray, streaming, upmixed, etc) and I don't think anyone could pick which is which as they sound virtually identical. The Dolby Surround upmixer is NOT what I am talking about. This is an actual Dolby Atmos signal.
 

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I'm not sure I'd want to hear what sounds like multi-channel stereo that is not being played back as it was recorded and intended to be played. I would prefer original Atmos recordings, which may be hard to find if all they are doing it extracting the Atmos channels from the original recording. I suppose I'll just have to listen to it, but I am a huge fan of imaging, sound stage and depth acuity, and if it messes with that, I won't care for it, as it won't be accurate.
I agree with you, Sonnie. That said, Auro-2D is a very unique upmixing solution that keeps imaging and the front soundstage intact while every so slightly stretching the sound around you. Very different than Dolby Surround.

The Auro 3D audio discs I have on hand were recorded at Galaxy Studios, in Auro 3D. They're amazing from a presentation standpoint. But the styles of music (I've heard) aren't quite my cup of tea.
 

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I agree with you, Sonnie. That said, Auro-2D is a very unique upmixing solution that keeps imaging and the front soundstage intact while every so slightly stretching the sound around you. Very different than Dolby Surround.

The Auro 3D audio discs I have on hand were recorded at Galaxy Studios, in Auro 3D. They're amazing from a presentation standpoint. But the styles of music (I've heard) aren't quite my cup of tea.
I love auromatic upmixer but it is still channel based.
 
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The entire point of content encoded in Atmos is that it is OBJECT based. Upmixers are still channel based and it is like comparing mono vs stereo. Now if you don't like atmos movies chances are you won't like atmos music. However if you have already spent $$$ on an immersive home theater and do NOT have access to the atmos music streaming on amazon it seems like buying a car and not taking it out of the garage. Even if you don't like the music on tap TODAY they are dropping new albums all the time. If you already own a firestick 4K you should just try streaming some atmos content.

If not:
 

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The industry is pivoting to mixing in Atmos first and then downmixing into stereo. At about 1 minute into this video he hits the nail on the head, "In stereo you have all of these instruments fighting to be heard. With Atmos each instrument has its own space to breathe, that all that articulation, detail, clarity can be maintained" I think articulation really captures the difference of object based immersive audio:
 
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Very interesting... I am eager to hear it on something I am familiar with already.
 

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Nice article Kal. I like the Sony 360 and Dolby Atmos streaming via Tidal over headphones, it works. But like you said in the article it can't compare with a 7.1.4 setup. Sending an Atmos bitstream from either a PC or an X-Box using the Dolby Access software will transcode any file and is much better than the DSU upmixer. When you put software guys from Dolby and Microsoft in a room with all of the resources of both companies they produce a pretty good app :).
 

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7.2.4 system. Wanted to hear Dolby Atmos music.

While I've a Firestick 4K, I almost never, ever listen to streaming music through it. To my ears music encoded in DD+, with 4db of dialog boost (that you can't turn off), just doesn't sound right compared to the same music encoded as two-channel PCM with no dialog boost, and I don't want to be constantly navigating to the Firestick settings to change its audio-out back and forth from DD+ to PCM. So, I've also an old, old, first gen FireTV STB with digital audio out. If I want to stream music from a source other that what came with my Yammy CX-A5200 and MusicCast, I turn on the old FireTV. When I'm working around the house (not seriously listening) I have that FireTV streaming Radio Paradise 16/44.1 FLAC. Yeah, the FireTV encodes its output as 16/48 PCM, so that is what my Yammy sees. And it sounds just as good to me as if I was playing a CD on my transport.

At this time, while my Yammy supports Amazon Music, it does not (yet?) support Amazon HD Music. My FireTV does not support Amazon HD Music. My FireStick does support Amazon HD Music, but not, to the best of my knowledge, Amazon Ultra-HD Music nor their 3D (Dolby Atmos and Sony’s 360 Reality Audio codecs ) format. So, where do I go? Ahhhh, Tidal? Since I do not have a MQA DAC, Tidal, to me does not sound as good as Qobuz. But, Tidal has Atmos Music, right? So, I got a Tidal trial subscription. Crazy thing: While my Yammy certainly decodes Atmos, Tidal will not stream Atmos to it, but it will stream Atmos to my Firestick. And away I go, right? Yeah, that works. Like crap! While I now hear the 3D effects (yes, my Yammy informs it IS receiving an Atmos stream) it sounds terribly compressed; not unlike listening to a 16/44.1 CD track and then listening to that same track on 128 kbps MP3. I really don't care if the sound is all around me if the result makes me feel like I'm in an elevator.

So, streaming Atmos Music, at this point? No thanks! While I may look into purchasing a Blu Ray with Atmos Music, or two, I have no intention of spending hundreds, if not thousands, of more $$$ on my system just to see if I can get an uncompressed Atmos Music stream. I won't be renewing my Tidal subscription once the trial is up.
 

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I listen to Atmos music primarily through the X-Box so can't compare to the experience you had with the firestick. I wonder if the appletv or nvidia shield sound any better?
 

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I listen to Atmos music primarily through the X-Box so can't compare to the experience you had with the firestick. I wonder if the appletv or nvidia shield sound any better?
Since I'm not a gamer, I've historically had zero interest in gaming boxes. Maybe I should take a second look? I had a Roku box once then got FireTV; been with that platform ever since; my focus with boxes and sticks is toward streaming video. I've never played with AppleTV, nVidia (the two beside FireTV that Tidal lists as compatible with their Atmos music stream), or Chromecast. However, I just discovered that Netflix does not stream Atmos videos on FireTV. ?! I'm now looking into getting a media PC. I've got my CD collection, 1000s of them, on a hard drive now, and I'd like to connect it directly to my Yammy as opposed to streaming over WiFi. From what I hear Netflix, as well as other streaming services, play well together with Windows 10, including Netflix Atmos. Don't know if Tidal will do Atmos music on a PC. If I figure that out I'll post my experience.
 
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