Anthem avm 60, Marantz 8802a, Emotiva XMC-2 processors

Manic1

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Oppo 203 uhd, Panasonic 900
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1099's
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Looking to upgrade a Marantz 7702 MKll, in a at most 7.2.4 setup. Have Audiocontrol amps running diy 1099's and Volt 8's. 2 PSA XS15se's for low end. Soon to be JTR 210rt and 210rm. Open to other suggestions but the 3 are in the price range. Thanks

Steve
 

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I’m working on a basic video overview of my new Anthem AVM60, which replaced an Emotiva XMC1.

I’m very pleased with the Anthem, and impressed with ARC Genesis, which is proving to be every bit as powerful as Dirac, both of which (IMO) best Audessey hands down.

The biggest advantage with the Anthem over Emo, however, is that it’s bug-free. The XMC2, while seemingly less troublesome than the RMC-1 and 1L, is still far from being bug-free, and relies on Emotiva’s engineers to admit to and solve any problems. Recent claims from their engineering department have included the statement “we’re not a software development firm”, which, if you’re selling processors, you’re a software development firm or you’re hiring one. That denial is always accompanied by lots of finger pointing at other companies for not playing by the rules.

Marantz makes solid stuff. They’re on top of fixing problems. The main drawback, in my opinion, is Audessey
 

Manic1

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My AV System  
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Marantz 7702 MKII
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Audiocontrol Pangea3
Additional Amp
Audiocontrol Savoy
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Oppo 203 uhd, Panasonic 900
Front Speakers
1099's
Center Channel Speaker
1099
Surround Speakers
Von Schweikert TS350
Surround Back Speakers
VOLT 8
Front Height Speakers
AT DA-44
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At DA-44
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PSA XS15se's-2
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Samsung KS-8000, Panny 4000u
Screen
Elite 100" Acousticpro
Remote Control
Harmony
Other Equipment
Orbit Turntable, Dish Hopper 3 dvr,
I’m working on a basic video overview of my new Anthem AVM60, which replaced an Emotiva XMC1.

I’m very pleased with the Anthem, and impressed with ARC Genesis, which is proving to be every bit as powerful as Dirac, both of which (IMO) best Audessey hands down.

The biggest advantage with the Anthem over Emo, however, is that it’s bug-free. The XMC2, while seemingly less troublesome than the RMC-1 and 1L, is still far from being bug-free, and relies on Emotiva’s engineers to admit to and solve any problems. Recent claims from their engineering department have included the statement “we’re not a software development firm”, which, if you’re selling processors, you’re a software development firm or you’re hiring one. That denial is always accompanied by lots of finger pointing at other companies for not playing by the rules.

Marantz makes solid stuff. They’re on top of fixing problems. The main drawback, in my opinion, is Audessey
Leaning more and more to the Anthem, was ARC easy to setup?
 

Manic1

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Audiocontrol Pangea3
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Audiocontrol Savoy
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Oppo 203 uhd, Panasonic 900
Front Speakers
1099's
Center Channel Speaker
1099
Surround Speakers
Von Schweikert TS350
Surround Back Speakers
VOLT 8
Front Height Speakers
AT DA-44
Rear Height Speakers
At DA-44
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PSA XS15se's-2
Video Display Device
Samsung KS-8000, Panny 4000u
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Elite 100" Acousticpro
Remote Control
Harmony
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Orbit Turntable, Dish Hopper 3 dvr,
What you are saying is what I have been hearing and reading about the .XMC-2 and 1.they are just to buggy to hang your hat on. Have a chance to buy a avm 60 B Stock for 2250 or a used avm 60 for 1800. What to do?
 

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Jolida JD202BRC (2-channel system)
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Sony UBP-X800
Front Speakers
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Center Channel Speaker
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Surround Speakers
Triad InWall/4 Gold
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Mission 77ds
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SVS PB2000
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Definitive Technology BP20 (2-channel system)
Video Display Device
JVC DLA X790R
Screen
SeymourAV CenterStage UF 115"
Remote Control
Harmony Elite
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ProJect Debut Carbon Turntable (2-channel system)
Let’s put it this way. Without giving away too much of my video before I’m finished with it ...

I spent 2 years with the XMC1 fiddling with Dirac. I got it to a place where I was happy with the sound. I enjoyed it, but there were too many little quirks, still, with the XMC1, which they basically called “good enough”.

When I switched them out, I ran ARC once, with very little tweaking, and it sonically matched the XMC1 in 5 minutes. I didn’t mess with it any more, because I’ve now, just this morning, swapped out my speakers, so I’ll dig into the various options of ARC now that I have new hardware in place. But it was dead simple. What took a year and a half on the XMC took 10 minutes on the Anthem.

I’m excited to hear what I can make it do now, getting into all the options.
 

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Emotiva UPA-700
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Emotiva UPA-500
Other Amp
Jolida JD202BRC (2-channel system)
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Sony UBP-X800
Front Speakers
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Center Channel Speaker
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Surround Speakers
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Front Height Speakers
Mission 77ds
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SVS PB2000
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Definitive Technology BP20 (2-channel system)
Video Display Device
JVC DLA X790R
Screen
SeymourAV CenterStage UF 115"
Remote Control
Harmony Elite
Other Equipment
ProJect Debut Carbon Turntable (2-channel system)
Oh, and I’d go B-Stock. I’m all about warranty and support whenever possible, though I’ve never used it. It’s a nice safety blanket, especially when you’re making a hefty investment in a hobby.
 

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I have had an AVM60 for about 2 years. No bugs or problems, unlike Emo, and the latest ARC Genesis is truly impressive. The AVM 60 will output mono to two subs and ARC will measure them as one. The audioholics folks stated that this is better than individual correction and I agree, esp for HT. The AVM60 also has PlayFi which has matured and now works well, giving you built in native streaming if you use any of the streaming services for music.
 

Manic1

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Marantz 7702 MKII
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Audiocontrol Pangea3
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Audiocontrol Savoy
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Oppo 203 uhd, Panasonic 900
Front Speakers
1099's
Center Channel Speaker
1099
Surround Speakers
Von Schweikert TS350
Surround Back Speakers
VOLT 8
Front Height Speakers
AT DA-44
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At DA-44
Subwoofers
PSA XS15se's-2
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Samsung KS-8000, Panny 4000u
Screen
Elite 100" Acousticpro
Remote Control
Harmony
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Orbit Turntable, Dish Hopper 3 dvr,
I have had an AVM60 for about 2 years. No bugs or problems, unlike Emo, and the latest ARC Genesis is truly impressive. The AVM 60 will output mono to two subs and ARC will measure them as one. The audioholics folks stated that this is better than individual correction and I agree, esp for HT. The AVM60 also has PlayFi which has matured and now works well, giving you built in native streaming if you use any of the streaming services for music.
I am 99% sure I will go with the Anthem but am going to wait a week until CES is over. Would not want to buy one this week and next week find out they are coming out with the AVM 70.
 

philip vasseur

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Mac MC312 MCA 225
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Oppo 103
Front Speakers
Revel 228be
Center Channel Speaker
Revel
Surround Speakers
Def Tech
Subwoofers
SVS SB16 (2); GE XXL (2); SVS SB2000
Other Speakers or Equipment
Sonos Port
Other Equipment
Parasound Halo P6 2.1
I am 99% sure I will go with the Anthem but am going to wait a week until CES is over. Would not want to buy one this week and next week find out they are coming out with the AVM 70.
Thanks for the heads up re a new model, if u get a chance let us know if learn anything about a new model. All the best for 2020.
 

thrillcat

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Emotiva UPA-700
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Emotiva UPA-500
Other Amp
Jolida JD202BRC (2-channel system)
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Sony UBP-X800
Front Speakers
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Center Channel Speaker
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Surround Speakers
Triad InWall/4 Gold
Front Height Speakers
Mission 77ds
Subwoofers
SVS PB2000
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Definitive Technology BP20 (2-channel system)
Video Display Device
JVC DLA X790R
Screen
SeymourAV CenterStage UF 115"
Remote Control
Harmony Elite
Other Equipment
ProJect Debut Carbon Turntable (2-channel system)
A week is an easy wait, but I wouldn’t expect an announcement at CES. Anthem is probably more of a CEDIA announcement. CES has become more soundbar and Bluetooth focused than high-end home theater.
 

Manic1

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My AV System  
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Marantz 7702 MKII
Main Amp
Audiocontrol Pangea3
Additional Amp
Audiocontrol Savoy
Universal / Blu-ray / CD Player
Oppo 203 uhd, Panasonic 900
Front Speakers
1099's
Center Channel Speaker
1099
Surround Speakers
Von Schweikert TS350
Surround Back Speakers
VOLT 8
Front Height Speakers
AT DA-44
Rear Height Speakers
At DA-44
Subwoofers
PSA XS15se's-2
Video Display Device
Samsung KS-8000, Panny 4000u
Screen
Elite 100" Acousticpro
Remote Control
Harmony
Other Equipment
Orbit Turntable, Dish Hopper 3 dvr,
If you can wait... I would see what the reviewers say about the new Monolith.
Have to say looks interesting, I probably do not need more than a 7.2.4 setup so 16 channels is overkill but the smaller one might be a good choice of it not to buggy. We will see when theyn begin shipping.
 
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